Gas pistol for self defence
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Or multiple styles at the same time?
You gotta be hella rich for that considering any trainer worth their beans cost at least $150-200 a month just for an hour a day, not counting any special one-on-one training which will cost at least that much in a short, single day.
Match of the Century! [a-5] vs Avatar!
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Not to sound snobby or anything, but I'm Indian. My dad's a doctor with a six figure salary and my mom has a PhD in Buisness Administration and works for GE. We're pretty well off.
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Then you should have been true to your roots and learned Kalarippayattu.
Has the HAZMAT team been notified? I sense a toxic testosterone leak here.
Aside from that, I'd like to address several comments or issues raised here.
1. Oleoresin capsicum (pepper) spray is largely effective against both human and animal attackers. No, it doesn't work every time, but it has a very high effectiveness rate. The fact is, there are very few guarantees in life.
However, I am aware of no gas 'bullets' that are effective; other than those fired from the larger projectors – 30 mm cartridges and greater. The pistol type gas guns simply don't do much at all.
2. Weapons – firearms – can be taken away and used against the defender. Theoretically true, but in practice does not happen. (Okay, it happens in the movies and television. No one confuses that with reality, do they?) Interestingly, cops are killed with their own guns more than with guns brought by the attacker. However, no police agency has disarmed their officers to combat this problem.
Nor is this because police have such wonderful or magical training they are superior to the common citizen. I've been in law enforcement for about 26 years now and it just isn't so.
This whole argument – essentially a bare faced lie – is simply another gun control argument to disarm otherwise lawful citizens.
3. Buffalo and A-5 (I think) discussed the nose or just under as a target point.
Buffalo is talking about shooting and disrupting the brainstem. Buffalo is correctly talking about using the tip of the nose as an aiming point – when firing at an adversary from the direct front. As he mentions, from the side or rear, the aiming point changes.
A-5 is talking about a pressure or strike point on the face. The area just below the nose is very sensitive to pressure, but does not in the least affect the brainstem.
Both are correct in what they say, but they are discussing two different goals and two different techniques.
4. "Martial Arts" training. Anyone of reasonable health and physical build can learn martial arts like Karate, Judo or any of the myriad of others. (I'm a donut fu guy, myself.) It takes about two to three years to get to the level of being reasonable able to defend oneself in the real world.
Twenty to thirty HOURS of proper training will get the average person shooting a handgun at an acceptable level.
5. The 'knife versus gun' fight discussion. Several years ago, a study showed an armed officer could not timely respond to a knife attack within 21 feet. The basis of the study was the officer was holstered, the knife wielding attacker had his knife out and initiated the attack. A number of people have incorrectly interpreted this to say a knife is always the winner in any encounter within 21 feet. Such is obviously incorrect; one has only to reverse the conditions to see a defender with a sheathed knife is not going to prevail against a firearms equipped attacker within 21 feet. (This presumes both assailants are reasonable proficient with their weapons. Incompetence changes the scenario radically.)
6. Desert Eagles are specialty weapons for long range target shooters (silhouette shooting), hunters and game playing, pimply faced game posers who cannot differentiate video games and reality.
Aside from that, I'd like to address several comments or issues raised here.
1. Oleoresin capsicum (pepper) spray is largely effective against both human and animal attackers. No, it doesn't work every time, but it has a very high effectiveness rate. The fact is, there are very few guarantees in life.
However, I am aware of no gas 'bullets' that are effective; other than those fired from the larger projectors – 30 mm cartridges and greater. The pistol type gas guns simply don't do much at all.
2. Weapons – firearms – can be taken away and used against the defender. Theoretically true, but in practice does not happen. (Okay, it happens in the movies and television. No one confuses that with reality, do they?) Interestingly, cops are killed with their own guns more than with guns brought by the attacker. However, no police agency has disarmed their officers to combat this problem.
Nor is this because police have such wonderful or magical training they are superior to the common citizen. I've been in law enforcement for about 26 years now and it just isn't so.
This whole argument – essentially a bare faced lie – is simply another gun control argument to disarm otherwise lawful citizens.
3. Buffalo and A-5 (I think) discussed the nose or just under as a target point.
Buffalo is talking about shooting and disrupting the brainstem. Buffalo is correctly talking about using the tip of the nose as an aiming point – when firing at an adversary from the direct front. As he mentions, from the side or rear, the aiming point changes.
A-5 is talking about a pressure or strike point on the face. The area just below the nose is very sensitive to pressure, but does not in the least affect the brainstem.
Both are correct in what they say, but they are discussing two different goals and two different techniques.
4. "Martial Arts" training. Anyone of reasonable health and physical build can learn martial arts like Karate, Judo or any of the myriad of others. (I'm a donut fu guy, myself.) It takes about two to three years to get to the level of being reasonable able to defend oneself in the real world.
Twenty to thirty HOURS of proper training will get the average person shooting a handgun at an acceptable level.
5. The 'knife versus gun' fight discussion. Several years ago, a study showed an armed officer could not timely respond to a knife attack within 21 feet. The basis of the study was the officer was holstered, the knife wielding attacker had his knife out and initiated the attack. A number of people have incorrectly interpreted this to say a knife is always the winner in any encounter within 21 feet. Such is obviously incorrect; one has only to reverse the conditions to see a defender with a sheathed knife is not going to prevail against a firearms equipped attacker within 21 feet. (This presumes both assailants are reasonable proficient with their weapons. Incompetence changes the scenario radically.)
6. Desert Eagles are specialty weapons for long range target shooters (silhouette shooting), hunters and game playing, pimply faced game posers who cannot differentiate video games and reality.
Humm, even if we disregard that this thread is about tear-gas pistols, it is still about self defence and not "ass kicking".
Self defence means that you apply the minimum use of force in order to stop the attack, which means that you should kill or seriously injure the attacker only in the most extreme of situations.
Self defence means that you apply the minimum use of force in order to stop the attack, which means that you should kill or seriously injure the attacker only in the most extreme of situations.
Buffalo Roam
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Avatar, he is making fun of JA S81, for being a poser, two Desert Eagles would weigh in at, 4kg, 2 kg a piece, 8.8 pds. they are 14 in (356 mm) long, and 10 in (254 mm) high, and the grip on them is like trying to wrap you hand around a 2 x 4, 50 mm x 100 mm piece of lumber, to carry those concealed you would need to be King Cong.
Yuck :/
Carcano
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India has come up with some of the most ingenious hand weapons...the katar and the kukri.
I can't speak for all Americans, but where I come from self defense means you can defend yourself to such a degree in most situations that would warrant action. If someone comes and attacks me, wether it's a mugging or "jumping" me, game on.
Amen.
I agree. Bo staffs allow for great disarming techniques.
Kamas ftw.
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