That is not the real reality. It is nothing more than a mix of survival mechanism and consensus. Morality is subjective and never absolute truth.
in reality everything is subjective, even reality. objective just means that many people agree with it.
I see we have different views.. :shrug: Just one thing, if everything is subjective.. what on earth does subjective mean ?? lol
Right and Wrong does not exist, it a feeling or emotion developed by most mentally sane humans. People either follow the feeling, or choose to obey it.
it means personal. the more persons agree with something the more impersonal/objective it becomes, but it can never become entirely objective. but feelings exist!!
Garbage. "Everything is subjective." is a contradiction. What's worse, you're assuming there can be such a thing as objective. And your point might be??? You do realize that the concept of a morality necessarily contradicts a subjective ( or personal) basis yes???
This to me implies you believe there is no God. That you have the strong atheism. You KNOW there is no objective right and wrong.
I don't believe there is a God. But I am very close to being a strong atheist, not quite though Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! Correct.
Me too. I have to disagree with the subjectivity of fundamental right and wrong though. We do seem to function well as a group living species. Without some inherent fundamental morality that allows for this group living, we'd be a solitary species. Even ants and bees have a fundamental morality that isn't subjective.
Yes but morality is not truth. Ants have completely different morals than humans have. This makes morality and it's associated values subjective. I think you agreed that value is completely subjective somewhere. If value is completely subjective then how can morality not be ? Isn't morality just a set of values one (or a group) adheres to ?
Oh of course! I'm not suggesting that morality is universal or objective across species, only within them. And only the basic survival "morality" that allows a given species to function as a group. I agree that truth as some absolute thing has nothing to do with morality. Especially fabricated morality as with religions. Just a thought though, within the ant or bee community, are we sure that we don't recognize some shared morals with them?
morals are real because they come from feelings, and feelings are real. all beings in the universe have the same morals because we all have the same feelings: good and bad feelings. but there are many different ways to reach good feelings and avoid bad feelings which makes it seem like there are many kinds of morals. it doesn't matter.
In that case I agree Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! We probably do. I imagine all (multicellular) life share some values though. In social animals I believe "Do unto others as you would have others do unto you" is a prevailing one between members the group, for example.
Feeling = an emotion or emotional perception or attitude. And: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emotion#Neurobiological_theories_of_emotion Oh but it does...
Morals are for the most part instinctual feelings of pleasure and pain - not mandated by God. However, God can certainly have his own set of morals, which often contradict our instincts. A parent doesn't need God to tell him to take care of his children.
The difference between one who does not believe there are ethics and the one who believes there are no ethics in reality. The latter is hard. As in an atheist who does not believe there is a God and one who believes there is no God. Some call it a strong atheist. I have also heard it referred to as a 'positive' atheist.
