Do you agree with capital punishment?

Discussion in 'Ethics, Morality, & Justice' started by Norsefire, Dec 17, 2007.

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Do you agree with capital punishment?

  1. Yes, criminals asked for it

    32.7%
  2. No, no one deserves execution, no matter what their crimes

    49.1%
  3. Yes, but only for murder

    18.2%
  1. Syzygys As a mother, I am telling you Valued Senior Member

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  3. Asguard Kiss my dark side Valued Senior Member

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  5. Defiant Registered Member

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    in the law of Moses, specifically in Deuteronomy 19:17-21, which includes the punishments of "life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot."

    By the way what is wrong with revenge??

    Then you have to find a lawbook....

    I thought the US attacked Afghanistan as part revenge, part deterrent, part payback, part lethal punishment. Most Americans agreed with that attack, so they must not have a problem with either....
     
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  7. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Valued Senior Member

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    Twenty-six years

    Addressing the poll for this topic, which has two affirmative answers, and noting that "only for murder" is the less-popular between those, there are some words we should consider:

    Twenty-six years.​

    That's right, twenty-six years.

    From CNN.com:

    Good thing we stopped executing for rape convictions a while ago.
     
  8. Norsefire Salam Shalom Salom Registered Senior Member

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    Yes, but if a rape victim was confirmed beyond a doubt to be guilty, then that DOES deserve execution.
     
  9. Norsefire Salam Shalom Salom Registered Senior Member

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    I mean a rapist not a rape victim sorry
     
  10. Norsefire Salam Shalom Salom Registered Senior Member

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    Yes, but what of the victims? Can we merely bring them back to life?

    1) Executing the criminal ensures that the population does not need to deal with him
    2) Rehabilitating him is merely a waste of time
    3) Is it supposed to be a deterant? No, a punishment
     
  11. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Valued Senior Member

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    Freudian whatsit?

    Um ... you know, Norsefire, what you're describing is the expectation of your standard, every-day, run-of-the-mill conviction.
     
  12. Asguard Kiss my dark side Valued Senior Member

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    Firstly "in the law of Moses, specifically in Deuteronomy 19:17-21, which includes the punishments of "life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot."

    Umm you do realise that the bible also agrees with slavery and thinks that adultery should be punishable by death. not the most reliable legal text.

    and Norsefire as much as this may shock you but the victioms have very little to do with the criminal justice system. Its about preventing the same thing from happerning again not compensating the victiom. Thats the civil system your talking about. For instance if someone assults you and they are fined say $1000 how much of that goes to you? none, if you want compansation you sue the offender
     
  13. Defiant Registered Member

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    You asked for legal, I gave you legal. The bible has been the law for centuries for millions of people. I know several women who agree with death for cheating....That is their choice not mine.

    Again, can you guarantee that a killer in prison won't kill again or he won't be let free again? No dead people killed anyone, as far as I know....
     
  14. Asguard Kiss my dark side Valued Senior Member

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    actually you can jail someone for the term of there natural life and "the law of moses" is not a legal definition, its not in any constitution nor for that matter is it written in the decleration of human rights or in any international laws. I would highly doubt that you would find it quoted in any common law either (which after all is the basis of US, UK, Canada, Australia, and NZ law systems)
     
  15. Frud11 Banned Banned

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    You mean should not. And by whose hand? Who decides? What about killing innocent people? You appear to believe in a justice system that is actually infallible, another ideal. In an ideal world, people wouldn't murder other people in the first place, I would suppose?
    What sort of purpose would this kind of "as ye do, so shall be done unto you", justice serve?
    Along with an absolute power of discrimination of guilt or innocence, the almighty and all-seeing system (a computer, maybe?) then chains them to a wall and tortures them to death or rapes them? What sort of social service is that exactly?
    Sounds like a comic-book story about some post-apocalyptic society with a seriously warped moral sense. "Judge Dredd meets Psycho."

    Seriously, dude, read something else. Try Kant, or Spinoza. Maybe Gibran, or Kabir. Get with it, for crying out loud. The Inquisition is over, man.
     
  16. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Valued Senior Member

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    Fry 'em slowly, right?

    So ... what do our state-homicide advocates suggest for this?

    Right now, that's all we've got to go on. (Literally, that's the whole of the article.) But, as I understand the state-homicide argument, these four boys should be put to death.

    Anyone? Anyone?
     
  17. Defiant Registered Member

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    Correct and:

    1. Wouldn't that be unconstitutional because "cruel and unusual punishment"?
    2. Can you guarantee you don't jail an innocent person for life?

    One black person in Texas just got out after 27 years imprisoned innocently for raping a girl. He went in at 20, spent the best years of his life in prison. He actually got 99 years, which was way too much. As the example shows, there are plenty of innocents in jails for decades, what you gonna do about it?
    The point here is that if you use the "innocents executed" excuse, that is also valid for "innocents jailed". So if you argue against CP because the system is not perfect, you should argue agains punishment at all too...

    Let's try to perfect the system and not throw it away althogether...
     
  18. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Valued Senior Member

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    We return to the question of whether there is a difference between life and death. You seem to be arguing, in this instance, that there is not.
     
  19. Defiant Registered Member

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    I think you are talking about victims here, right?

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    What short of purpose would punishing them at all serve? Why don't we just say to them: "don't do that again", and give them a ticket to the Bahamas, so they can chill out and become a normal, purposeful member of the society?
     
  20. Letticia Registered Senior Member

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    Yes, I support death penalty -- for multiple murderers who repeatedly demonstrated callous disregard for human life, in other words, clearly see other humans as prey. My reasoning is neither punishment nor deterrent -- it is removing from society an element which is too dangerous to be allowed to exist. It is the prey species' responsibility to protect itself from predators. As far as I am concerned, executing such people is no more a "punishment" than putting down a rabid dog is a punishment.

    I would not execute anyone who killed only once. OTOH, I do not believe there should be a distinction between murder and attempted murder. Each knowingly tried to take a human life. No reason to reward the incompetent one. So there may be theoretically a situation where I would support executing someone who did not actually kill anyone -- just tried really hard and repeatedly.
     
  21. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    Putting someone in prison for life also removes the dangerous element from society.
     
  22. Letticia Registered Senior Member

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    Only if he is put into solitary confinement. Every year several hundred prisoners in US are murdered by other prisoners.
     
  23. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    Prison isn't society.
     

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