The US Needs a Revolution - New Government

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the concept of our government is fine, we just need a revolution to get rid of all the crap that has been added, with the few excepts of civil rights and sufferage all the add-ons need to go the way of so much mexican food

VIVE LA REVOLUTION!!!!!

 

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SO...

Back to a new government for the JCSA.

Is it possible what we need are new values instead?

-Or-

That we've misinterpreted our past government and turned it into something different -- and broken?

Government by committee... how appalling.

 

Government can change based on the people's values.

 

Exactly. And even more, I think people work around whatever pretense of government is in place in order to act to reify their values.

 

Do you mean politicians using their influence to try and change the way the people think?

 

The U.S. corporate/government is the most obvious example of legal mafiaism in the world and it is they who must change their evil way so that the world can progress toward peace under the aegis of the United Nations. There is no real difference between the Democrats and the Republicans, they are all the same party in reality. When one party or the other gets electoral control of government, they just play a game of musical chairs and everybody continues on operating according to the corporate/government dictates.

The "New World Order", that the first President George Bush unveiled to the world, has their selected people at all the controlling positions in government. Most of those people are of military background and their placement in so many positions of government constitute a coup, which the second President George Bush recently referred to as "The Shadow Government".

The citizens of the U.S. have "0" say in who they vote for and "0" say in who is going to be the government. The military/industrial corporate/government pick all the candidates and fund only the people who are their obedient servants. They make the presidential campaigns prohibitively expensive by giving vast amounts of money to their chosen candidates to spend on advertising. That money is actually only given temporarily to the candidates, as the corporate/government owns all the media that their chosen candidates will spend that money on. The donated money is in effect recycled into the corporate coffers, but it has the effect of keeping out any independant candidates from running for office. That corrupt practice is just one of many that the legal mafia uses to perpetuate their virtual coup.

 

"Government by committee... how appalling."

This is a simplified version of how it would work:

People meet once a year in milllions of comittee rooms in the name of a communitee meeting. They are given a background about the changes that have happened in the past year. They then form small groups and chose a temporary spokes person to tell the whole room their ideas when they are done with them. After the whole committee has discussed their ideas, the room votes in a couple people (like 2 or 3) to act as representatives. Anyone can nominate anyone, and anyone can decline nomination.

After the community representatives are choen, they go to a meeting with the same structer that is composed of all the representatives in the county. They vote in county representatives.

Then all the country representatives in the state meet. They chose reps.
Then all the state reps in the country meet.

This is something like the way I imagine it, although it would be a bit more complicated and longer to explain.

The people would chose a president but there would be a different way of doing it as well. I personally think that presidents should be completely funded by the government for campains, and that they may not campain or run commercials other than what the government prescribes. That way its fair and you don't get only two of many canidates on TV, while the rest have little coverage.


John Macneil: "There is no real difference between the Democrats and the Republicans"

This statment is not exactly accurate. The two parties actually fight for political dominance in the presidency, in congress, and in the supreme court. If Gore had been elected instead of Bush, we probably would not have rampaged into a foreign country and gone on a terrorist shooting spree.

"Government can change based on the people's values."

How will people values be heard? Definately not through the extremely bias and inaccurate media..

 

Depends on how much they want change. The people hold the power. They just might not always use it.

 

Well, a watered down version of the power.

 

In response to an earlier post, no TRUE democracy has existed for more than a few years scince the ancient greeks. It just dosn't work when you have a hundred million people trying to vote for every single issue. That is why we in america have a republican representative government.

It works better than any monarchy, despotism, theocracy, oligarchy, or the like. This is because all the inevitable scources of corruption cancel each other out because everyone has a different agenda. The roman empire had a similar system and it held a vast empire for a very long time while wageing near-constant war.

And we owe it all to you britain. We were inspired by your constitutional monarchy and parlament. We just took it a step further.

 

Bah, we were inspired by the Iroquois Confederacy.

 

Originally posted by Clockwood
And we owe it all to you britain. We were inspired by your constitutional monarchy and parlament. We just took it a step further.

Yeah bush is our Queen.

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Right on, most of the time the idea is not at fault; rather, it is the human involved. Humans err all the damn time, America's form of Government is the best up to date, nothing has beaten it or proven itself more effective.

Sure you can pick out errors with this and that within the system, nothing is perfect, especially a mere human. We are all bound to make mistakes.

Most of the time though, the fools misinterpret and end up attacking the wrong opponent.

 

"America's form of Government is the best up to date, nothing has beaten it or proven itself more effective."

Care to defend that? I'd say it could be argued that Canada's system of government is actually more benefitial to a society. Ditto Switzerland being perfectly suited to it's geography. Of course, Swiss and Canuck governments had the benefit of being developed much after the Yank.

 

Even if it has its holes here and there, our government is pretty good. But like I keep saying if Trent Lott were to be gangraped by Iraqis, well, then I'd be happy, as would a great deal of people. Including the Iraqis that gangraped him, I'm sure.

I hope gangrape is a word. I don't think it is. Oh well

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