Ok a question to the theists

Discussion in 'Religion Archives' started by Dug-T, Dec 7, 2007.

  1. lightgigantic Banned Banned

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    Dug-T

    just a few points in brief
    1- God does not suffer if we are separate from him. The same cannot be said of ourselves
    2- your analogy of darkness/blindness is not really valid because the whole issue of religion is that it empowers one to come to a point of clear perception
    3- Given points 1 and 2, its not clear how god made us to remain ignorant as if that was the final grand master plan
    hence material opulence tends to imbibe a conditioned soul with an inflated sense of ego, while withdrawing that tends to make them a bit more humble - still, by the merit of one's previous pious and impious activities, the conditioned soul finds themselves in positions of material opulence/abject poverty
    or alternatively, todays 3rd world communities are tomorrows 1st world communities and vice versa

    obviously
    IOW you are relatively moral, which means the "goodness of your heart" can quickly transform according to what you are relative to
    i can't understand what point you are trying to drive home here

    and god bless
     
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  3. Photizo Ambassador/Envoy Valued Senior Member

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    Just FYI: Therefore, when Jesus saw her weeping, and the Jews who came with her weeping, He groaned in the spirit and was troubled.

    And He said, "Where have you laid him?" They said to Him, "Lord, come and see."

    Jesus wept.


    Also...why then, would He have gone to such great lengths to prevent separation?
     
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  5. Enmos Valued Senior Member

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    Actually, that was me..

     
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    I was joking, but I don't know what you mean by this..

    The word of God was weeping ? Seriously, how do you mean ?
     
  8. lightgigantic Banned Banned

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    God does not diminish by our separation - the point is that when we undergo separation from god we are transformed vastly in terms of our powers/knowledge and capability.
    With or without us, god's opulences remain unchecked because he is not dependent on us
    Still, out of the goodness of his being, he mercifully provides the rebellious living entities with the material world as a means to understanding the error of their ways
     
  9. Photizo Ambassador/Envoy Valued Senior Member

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    Agreed, yet God is also revealed to be Three in One. Go figure. :shrug:
     
  10. Enmos Valued Senior Member

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    You mean I assaulted the word of God by making that joke ?
     
  11. lightgigantic Banned Banned

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    that's ok
    even in this life its not uncommon for the same man to be known as "uncle" "brother" "father" etc
     
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  13. lightgigantic Banned Banned

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    the analogy was supposed to reflect rationalism

    rationally we can indicate how one thing can be discerned in 3 or more different things

    for instance how many different names for drinking water are there in the world and how many different varieties of drinking water are there?

    at midday how many people indicate that the sun is directly above their head and how many suns are there in the sky?

    etc etc
     
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  15. Photizo Ambassador/Envoy Valued Senior Member

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    That too.
     
  16. Enmos Valued Senior Member

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    Ugh, whatever.. it was just a harmless joke.
    Anyway, my apologies in that case.
     
  17. answers Registered Senior Member

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    You have free will? Hmmm you should try testing that out see just how much you are really free to do.

    A Just God? Yes. If everyone is guilty a just judge would send them all to jail. Everyone is guilty of Sin by God's standard. Why does God's standard matter? Because He is the judge not you. We are therefore all guilty and deserve punishment. Which most of us will get. However God isn't a normal judge, he is also merciful, so he forgives some. Isn't that nice of Him. He doesn't have to give us anything, be grateful that He gave us His Son. It is not our right to be saved, it is not our choice to be saved, it is by God's mercy that we are saved. People are good or bad only due to circumstances. Would you call a murderer evil? Yes of course. Would you call Robin Williams evil? No. But give Robin Williams the same upbringing and circumstances as the murderer, and Robin Williams will be a murderer. Humanity is evil by nature, it simply needs the opportunity to show its true colors.
     
  18. Adstar Valued Senior Member

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    Woe to you who find joy in evil. Who gain pleasure from provoking and mocking others. By your own words you reveal your soul. And your soul is black.


    All Praise The Ancient Of Days
     
  19. geeser Atheism:is non-prophet making Valued Senior Member

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    who allah, zeus, vishnu, yahweh, gaia. etc...
     
  20. geeser Atheism:is non-prophet making Valued Senior Member

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    wtf are you talking about.
    You have an extremely poor opinion of yourself.
     
  21. losfomoT Unregistered User Registered Senior Member

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    What do you mean here? It sounds like you are saying that we do not have free will? What examples pop into your mind when you say 'try testing that out' ?

    And what does he base this decision on?
     
  22. Dug-T Registered Senior Member

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    And who are you to tell anyone that they have a black soul? Provoking? no its my own choice of words if you dont agree just chose to ignore them, it obviously irritated you with your response here, i'd rather have a black soul than an empty one like you, and you know what? i'm tired of religious people trying to tell me how things are, but adstar life aint quite as simple as that.
     
  23. Thoreau Valued Senior Member

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    I believe in a god... (NOT christian) and quite frankly i don't think it matters either way if you believe in a god or not. Whether your Buddhist, Satanist, Wiccan, Druid, Atheist, Agnostic, Christian, Muslim or ANYTHING else or simple just yourself, all that matters is love. How you treat yourself and others is of utmost importance.
     

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