Kasparov in jail

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  1. Mr.Spock Back from the dead Valued Senior Member

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  3. Thiussat Registered Member

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    Great chess player, but also an ardent communist who was leading movements to bring the old Iron Curtain back. I always have wondered why Kasparov changed his name. His real name is Garry Weinstein. Weinstein/Kasparov, what's the difference?

    I don't think it is right to be jailed for one's beliefs. So I will argue for Kasparov's release in Russia just as I would for right-wing extremists in Germany who deny the holocaust. Both Kasparov and the holocaust deniers are crazy, but they have a right to say what they want to say.
     
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  5. wanneszinnig God doesn't work 2day Registered Senior Member

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    Hum I don't totaly agree with you there.
    To cite Karl Popper here: 'Democracy sometimes has to be protected with undemocratic tools'. That means when undemocratic voices are treadning democracy then democracy should have the right to protect itself.
     
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  7. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    Putin is a thug, that's all there is to it.
     
  8. draqon Banned Banned

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    Kasparov should be jailed and court has ruled it right. He is a anti-national propagandist who undermines issues of Russian citizen over illegal immigrants'.
     
  9. otheadp Banned Banned

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    i saw Kasparov on Colbert's show. he may possibly be the best chess player of all time, but he is not presidential looking. he sounds like a crazy protestor... neurotic, impulsive... he has no chance.
     
  10. Xev Registered Senior Member

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    In other words, he sounds like a chess player. Some of the craziest damn people I've ever known

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    No, you're taking him out of context. I can't see Popper agreeing with the extent of Putin's actions -- jailing dissidents? (possibly) Killing embarassing political enemies? Putin isn't protecting Russian democracy, he's consolidating his power base. Kasparov is hardly a threat.
     
  11. wanneszinnig God doesn't work 2day Registered Senior Member

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    I wasn't refering to Putin...cause he leading a general non-democracy. (Still Russia doesn't realy has a history of 'Western-democracy')
    I just meant that within a democracy sometimes the leaders of this democracy should take undemocratic actions so that the democracy can continue.
     
  12. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    You must have him confused with somebody else.

    Kasparov was jailed for taking part in a pro-democracy demonstration.
     
  13. Xev Registered Senior Member

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    My bad, I interpreted it in the context of this thread.
    And I agree with that.

    What Popper have you read? All I read was Conjectures and Refutations, which is fascinating, and I've been meaning to read the Open Society and its Enemies.
     
  14. draqon Banned Banned

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    it wasn't a pro-democracy demonstration, it was ANTI-putin and FOR Illegal immigrants' rights...and he was doing so without the approval for the protest march.
     
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    Regardless of what you think of Kasparov or the Communist Party in Russia it does appear that Putin's party is gearing up for some massive voter fraud. From today's Guardian

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/russia/article/0,,2219492,00.html

    From elsewhere on the site

     
  16. wanneszinnig God doesn't work 2day Registered Senior Member

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    I just both te last one. But I had philosophy at university. And Popper is one of the standards you should learn about, no?
     
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  18. draqon Banned Banned

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    these are all lies
     
  19. vincent Sir Vincent, knighted by HM Registered Senior Member

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    Yeah thats what putin says to, he said the US is resposible for the independent electoral commision of some sort not going to russia to watch the elections, the leader of the commision said that was bullshit they were denied visas.

    Putin is one hell of a bullshitter, & only drunken russians are listening to him, the guy is raping your country & you all think he is a wonderful prez.
     
  20. wanneszinnig God doesn't work 2day Registered Senior Member

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    what country isn't raped
     
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  21. draqon Banned Banned

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    you are the one raping the country. Putin is an amazing president and if it wasn't for consitution, we would want him for life as president.
     
  22. maxg Registered Senior Member

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    Don't worry he'll throw that constitution out the window before you know it.
     
  23. draqon Banned Banned

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    Putin has repeatedly stated that he will not run for 3rd term...it both saddens me and strengthens my beliefs in him.

    Western propaganda of how evil my Putin is, are all lies.

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