can fish feel pain?

Discussion in 'Biology & Genetics' started by Atom, Nov 13, 2007.

  1. Atom Registered Senior Member

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    Its an instinctive response.
     
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  3. Strap_ON Registered Member

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    Fish are intelligant, my fish no the time of day when they are going to be fed, always at the surface, and recognise the colour of the food pot, cause as soon as they see it they swim frantically. And when a new fish is introduced into the pond they greet it.
     
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  5. Enmos Valued Senior Member

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    Exactly..
     
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  7. visceral_instinct Monkey see, monkey denigrate Valued Senior Member

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    Even if they don't feel pain it's hardly humane to impale them through the mouth with hooks.
     
  8. Yorda Registered Senior Member

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    animals kill animals for food, so why shouldn't we? after all, science says that we are animals...
     
  9. Fraggle Rocker Staff Member

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    Somewhere else in the universe, sure! But here on earth, with what this planet's biochemistry and evolutionary processes have to work with? How?
    Consciousness is not the cause of all animal movement. Your autonomic nervous system causes your own body to breathe when you forget to think about it. You have a vestigial reflex center in your knee that causes your leg to jump when your doctor hits it with a hammer. Birds have much more highly developed reflex centers that help them fly; that's why headless chicken bodies--which by definition have no consciousness--try to escape by taking flight.

    I've been corrected on the issue of consciousness in insects, but I'll stand by my thesis in general and (after checking this time

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    ) say that sponges and corals do not have anything remotely resembling a brain in functionality. It's quite easy for animal motion to be generated by reflex.

    As for atoms, well I'm a little better educated in physics than in zoology. Atoms move in compliance with the laws of the universe--the "natural laws" you refer to. Ultimately they're reacting to the forces of gravity and electromagnetism, although at a macro level for our own convenience of study we organize those forces into patterns and give them names like friction, pressure, buoyancy, etc. I suppose you could call this an analog of a reflex: the universe is "programmed" to work that way so the atoms simply follow some fairly simple rules. There is no need to postulate a consciousness unless you want to get metaphysical and speculate about the "programming."
     
  10. Fraggle Rocker Staff Member

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    So what's the big deal about vertebrates and cartilaginous fish being unique because we have a central nervous system? Do other phyla have it too?
     
  11. Orleander OH JOY!!!! Valued Senior Member

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    I think that's horrible!!!

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  12. Enmos Valued Senior Member

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    That's humans for ya.. they probably don't even start to think about what the animals might feel.
     
  13. peta9 Registered Senior Member

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    fish have emotional feelings and can form attachments.
     
  14. Orleander OH JOY!!!! Valued Senior Member

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    LMFAO!!!
    Oh, were you serious?
     
  15. Orleander OH JOY!!!! Valued Senior Member

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    I don't care if they do it right and kill it instantly, But if they didn't even know what they are chopping off, its just horrible!
     
  16. Fraggle Rocker Staff Member

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    People say that koi are downright pet-like, once you've had them for a few years.
     
  17. peta9 Registered Senior Member

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    they all have different personalities.
     
  18. Enmos Valued Senior Member

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    Like I said, that's humans for ya..
     
  19. Orleander OH JOY!!!! Valued Senior Member

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    or once the owners humanize them and name them and buy them toys.
     
  20. Till Eulenspiegel Registered Member

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    My koi are fish, not pets. Of course I do put a leash on them and take them for a walk around the neighborhood whenever we have heavy rain. It's fun watching them flop from puddle to puddle.
     
  21. Enmos Valued Senior Member

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    LOL you are sick

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  22. granpa Registered Senior Member

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    if i stick a battery to my tongue i feel a sensation isnt painful but, nevertheless, like pain i would still try to avoid it. if that was the only sort of 'pain' that an organism felt then would we say it felt pain or not?
     
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  23. spuriousmonkey Banned Banned

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    all bilateral symmetric animals have it per definition unless they lose it due to developmental reprogramming.

    It's only a matter of degree.

    Like with everything in biology.
     

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