Time travel could be possible ... in the future

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  1. kmguru Staff Member

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    Saw this on the net...has this been discussed here?

    Time travel could be possible ... in the future
    By Roger Highfield 08/08/2007

    It may take more than a nuclear-powered De Lorean or a spinning police box, but time travel could actually be a possibility for future generations, according to an eminent professor of physics.

    Prof Amos Ori has set out a theoretical model of a time machine which would allow people to travel back in time to explore the past. The way the machine would work rests on Einstein’s theory of general relativity, a theory of gravity that shows how time can be warped by the gravitational pull of objects. Bend time enough and you can create a loop and the possibility of temporal travel.

    Prof Ori’s theory, set out in the prestigious science journal Physical Review, rests on a set of mathematical equations describing hypothetical conditions that, if established, could lead to the formation of a time machine, technically known as “closed time-like curves.” In the blends of space and time, or spacetime, in his equations, time would be able to curve back on itself, so that a person travelling around the loop might be able to go further back in time with each lap.

    In the past, one of the major challenges has been the alleged need for an exotic material with strange properties - what physicists call negative density - to create these time loops. “This is no longer an issue,” he told The Daily Telegraph.“You can construct a time machine without exotic matter,” he said. It is now possible to use any material, even dust, so long as there is enough of it to bend spacetime into a loop.

    Even though Prof Ori, of the Technion-Israel Institute of Technology, believes his new work strengthens the possibility of a real Tardis, he would not speculate on when a time machine would be built, or even if it would ever be possible. “There are still some open questions.” The main remaining issue is the stability of space time, the very fabric of the cosmos, in time travel scenarios.

    But overcoming this obstacle may require the next generation of theory under development, called quantum gravity, which attempts to blend general relativity with the ideas of the quantum theory, the mathematical ideas that rule the atomic world.

    Time travel has long been a fascination, HG Wells grappled with the scientific issues in his 1895 science fiction classic, The Time Machine, Dr Who is still fighting the time war and Hollywood insisted all that was needed for time travel was a De Lorean and a good flash of lightning. But more serious work on general relativity first raised the astonishing possibility of time travel in the 1940s. In the half century since, many eminent physicists have argued against time travel because it undermines ideas of cause and effect to create paradoxes so that a time traveller could go back to kill his grandfather so that she is never born in the first place.

    In 1990, the world’s best known scientist, Prof Stephen Hawking proposed a “chronology protection conjecture”, which flatly says the laws of physics disallow time machines. Three years later, Prof Ori concluded that the possibility of constructing a time machine from conventional materials could not be ruled out.

    Prof Hawking then fought back with his Cambridge University colleague Michael Cassidy and they concluded that time loops are extremely unlikely. Tongue in cheek, Prof Hawking added that there is experimental evidence that time travel doesn’t exist: “We have no reliable evidence of visitors from the future. (I’m discounting the conspiracy theory that UFOs are from the future and that the government knows and is covering it up. Its record of cover-ups is not that good.)”

    But now, in Physical Review, Prof Ori has provided some more advanced solutions to the problems of time travel outlined by the likes of Prof Hawking, helping to realise an idea that dates back millennia and appears in 18th century literature, Harry Potter, Dickens, sci-fi movies and much more besides.
     
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  3. Orleander OH JOY!!!! Valued Senior Member

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    If time travel were possible, wouldn't we know it already? Somebody would have come back, right??
     
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  5. kmguru Staff Member

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    It is possible that one may still alter the time line. So, there must be strong measures in place so as not to disturb the time line. And if someone says, they are from the future, they could end up in a mental institution. As to bringing objects from the future, there could be some restriction.

    If, time is just one dimension, then altering the time line is definitely a possibility. If time has two dimensions, then it can continue to move in another direction off an angle.

    It is difficult to think that future has already happened if someone could move back in time or go forward in time. However, what if, one can step out of the time dimension to reenter at any given point? Would that violate the laws of physics? This assumes that there are other universes or dimensions separate from this reality.

    For example, imagine you have two Sim Earths running in two separate computers. If an inhabitant of your one Sim Earth invent a way to get out of that Earth and show up at the other through the network....
     
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  7. Enmos Valued Senior Member

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    Not necessarily, parallel universes. Which means that we probably won't know until it's invented.
     
  8. kmguru Staff Member

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    Or, humans beings may go back to stone age due to natural or man-made catastrophe...that does not mean other bipeds far far away could not find a way....
     
  9. BenTheMan Dr. of Physics, Prof. of Love Valued Senior Member

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    Or, maybe the fact that we don't see time travelers is an ominous sign of the fate of the human race... It seems like there is not much to discuss, science-wise. Can anybody dig up the reference in Physical Review and post it here?
     
  10. Blandnuts Registered Senior Member

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    Pondering this in a molecular fashion, one could not return to a past event. It would still be possible in the future (maybe/minus you molecules). With parallel universes added to the equation, well then I guess anything would be possible. Good luck finding your way back home though

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  11. PsychoticEpisode It is very dry in here today Valued Senior Member

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    One time machine and you could end up with millions attending a single historical event.
     
  12. Orleander OH JOY!!!! Valued Senior Member

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    So now there would be time travel and other universes? How would you jump from one to the other?
     
  13. Reiku Banned Banned

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    The principle which validates this thread is the Principle of Self-Consistency...
     
  14. Enmos Valued Senior Member

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    LOL ever seen Sliders ?

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  15. Enmos Valued Senior Member

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    I'm not saying there is time travel or parallel universes. The hypothesis of parallel universes is that every time you make a decision your current universe splits up into two separate parallel universes each following the path of the respective decision.
     
  16. Reiku Banned Banned

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    And don't forget, even if parallel universes exist, according to Hawking it is impossible to travel into one, so time travel through inter-universal travel cannot be acheived according to the theory.
     
  17. BenTheMan Dr. of Physics, Prof. of Love Valued Senior Member

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    Well, were hawking's comments in the context of time travel? My guess is that if you were to travel back in time, you'd have a similar problem as trying to travel forwards in time---namely, that quantum mechanics is not determinant. I think. So travelling to the same universe that you were in would be a probability that is vanishingly small---like 1 over the age of the universe in planck times, or something.
     
  18. Reiku Banned Banned

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    That is correct.
     
  19. Reiku Banned Banned

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    Instead, there an infinite amount of universes ''like'' our own.
     
  20. Thiussat Registered Member

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    I don't see how this is anything new. Dr. Richard Gott at Princeton has published papers in this same journal on this very subject years ago (he proposed time-like curves). He provides a good popular account of his ideas in his book "Time Travel in Einstein's Universe." His ideas are extremely similar to the above author's. The book is interesting and his theory on the BB is intriguing. He basically says that the universe created itself in a time-like curve.
     
  21. Reiku Banned Banned

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    Its not new.

    The oldest book i have that has a reference to how time travel is possible in the future, also known as the principle of self-consistency dates back to 1985.
     
  22. kmguru Staff Member

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    I am thinking, assuming you created a computer simulation of a universe. While the simulation is running, can you create a character that will go back in time? Even if it is the computer time? Without pausing the whole simulation? If it can not be done, then time travel is impossible. But if it can be done by moving the character to a separate memory location, then we are talking about moving to another universe and so on....
     
  23. Enmos Valued Senior Member

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    Yeah, but you can't create a 100% realistic computer simulation of the universe until you know and understand everything in the universe.
    So if you could create that simulation there would be no need for it.
     

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