Dyslexia 'is just a middle-class way to hide stupidity'

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Didn't you previously, in regard to IQ tests for blacks, argue that IQ tests were fucked up and shouldn't be used? Yet, here you are obviously saying that IQ tests are valuable tools for determining stupidity? What gives, James?

Baron Max

 

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The problem here is there are MANY true dyslexics and MANY people who just never learned how to read properly and those people are also now calling themself dyslexic and this is where the problem differentiating between the two arises.

The fact is though that not being to read well is NOT evidence of 'stupid' whether the person be a true dyslexic or not.

Reading is a learned skill and if you were never taught or never practiced it then you simply will be unlikely to do it well. It has nothing to do with intelligence levels.

People with lower than average intelligence will have other difficulties aside from reading.

 

Yeah, use whatever you can, or want, to prove your point or disprove the other person's point ...but change your ideals when confronted with the same by another person using the same thing to prove a point that you don't like!

I call that "pick n' choose", James ...if the info good for you, use it; if it's good for the other guy, disregard it. That's good, James, ...and it's what most people around here do, so you're not alone.

Baron Max

 

Really?

But I think the point being made in the OP is that any neuroprocessing disorder is a form of stupidity. It is a mental deficiency. Sure, it does not necesarily correlate with a low "g" score, but in common parlence, it's stupidity. Don't forget, Moron, Imbecile, and Idiot were once part of the Intellegence classification scheme. Of course, this was back when speaking plainly was the norm.

 

Welcome to reality, spidergoat.

You see in as culture where all must be included and none be made to feel excluded – creating unnecessary social frictions and disharmonies - every genetic deficiency, particularly those of the mind, are blamed on nurture or, when this is impossible, they are blamed on some kind of syndrome or disease or dysfunction.

This way the dotards and imbeciles and all around retards can be given an excuse for their genetic mental inferiorities and all can be made to feel like no matter how stupid they are there’s always a hope that with the “correct” attention and schooling and “tests” all can score the same because….well, because we are all equal and only nurturing keeps us back or bad luck or tests that favor one group over another.

So when a little retard is born what are you going to say to the parents?
“Hey, you just passed on your inferior genes to your kid and you’ve reproduced a tiny version of yourselves. Yes he’s an imbecile!”

No, what you do is offer them hope and a word that will arouse sympathy and compassion.

 

Same here, im actually pretty sure almost everyone has some writing oddity of some form or another. The label dyslexia like most labels applied within psychology only really come into being when these oddities of thought or patterns of behaviour become over-whelming and seriously start to negatively impact on your life.

 

Well of course; otherwise no one would care about them or complain about them enough to get them studied.

 

THe problem is that when I can find pages like these:

http://www.dyslexia.com/science/different_pathways.htm
http://www.cnn.com/2004/HEALTH/02/10/dyslexia.ap/index.html

without any problem, I tend to think that the Durham phsychologist is mostly wrong. Yes, some parents like nice little labels to excuse their childrens problems. But in reality peoples brains end up wired differently, and we have given the lable dyslexia to a bundle of behaviours that come from having a brain wired a bit differently from average.
One person I know, intelligent and geeky, only learnt to read properly once they gave him tinted glasses. With the correct lenses in them the words stopped jumping up and down.

 

And speaking from my own personal experirence with people who are aixelsyd, I know dyslexics who are crooked jerks, probably to try to compensate for their relative stupidity.

 

Huh? All of these terms have to do with IQ scores- INCLUDING stupidity. Actually it is a refrence to "lacking intellegence". Now multiple intelligence theory aside, we measure intellect through IQ tests. However limited and archaic they may be, we have few other measures. If dyslexia is stupidity, then dyslexic people would have lower IQ scores. We have established this as not being true. I have dyslexia, and I suppositely have an IQ score in the top 1% (or .1%? I can't remember... I'm dyslexic

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)... I personally think I am a good example of how IQ tests are flawed... but anyway.

If stupidity is referring to brain dysfunction then you would have to consider people with OCD, depression, schizophrenia, epilepsy, migraines, and stuttering as being stupid. Clearly all of these conditions have little or no correlation to intelligence.