Wow you really don't "get" SciForums do you? You made the statements, you're supposed to back them up, but just this once... God is not proven to exist, therefore how can science be said to come from him? And if he doesn't exist then he's the master nothing. You're arguing from a false premise. Science studies the natural world, not possibly-non-existent beings. Science, with each discovery it makes, reduces the necessity for god to exist since it accounts for more and more that was originally claimed to be "his" work.
God exists outside of nature, outside of the system, he is unborn, unmade, unformed, unchanging, the source of all realities, the place from which all the innumerable universes come from...
************* M*W: God does not exist on this forum. God does not exist in the world. If anyone believes god exists, they need to prove it on this forum. Science cannot prove the existence of god. Faith cannot prove the existence of god. God cannot prove the existence of itself. How can any human prove its existence? Without proof, god doesn't exist. God doesn't exist without proof. For those who believe in god, think again. For those who don't believe in a god, congratulations, you have utilized your infallible intuition, your intelligence, and your common sense. I applaud you!
What exactly gives believers the gall to insist that what they "believe" is true? Without a shred of evidence? "God exists - fore sure man!" (the gall!) "HE exists on another plane" (the arrogance!) "HE Loves you" (the unmitigated arrogance!) "Believe or spend eternity in HELL!" (WTF???) What incredible level of egomania and self righteousness makes these people so incredibly sure of themselves? I can be certain that I have seen no objective evidence, now or throughout history, that undeniably shows that a god of some kind exists. Everything they believe is based on speculation. There are a few books that read like pure mythology. That's it. Why don't people worship Zeus anymore? There's an overwhelming amount of ancient literature on him compared to other gods.
The universe exists, so something must have created it (because there can be no effect without a cause), and that something must be God, because God means creator. Another proof: I am God, therefore God exists. Without proof, the earth is not round.
Why? Why couldn't the universe just be? And by that logic, if things that exist mut have been created, then what created god? I know - god is eternal. Always existed. Fine. But why so adamant then that the universe itself couldn't be eternal? Hmmm???
no if you want to work with the theory that god is situated within the parameters of the laws of physics (as opposed to being the object that the laws of physics are contingent on) you have an understanding that will not grant any spiritual progress, regardless of how many billions of years you engage in sincere worship
know whats funny? every time us science people come up with a way to counter there mundane arguments and corner them, they just keep making up with more excuses like "oh my god, you're argument is false cause god doesn't exist in this universe". know what? if god doesn't exist in this universe then who the hell cares about god here? and scientist's opinion as far as i know at a certain point has been that if god did exist before, he/she/it doesn't anymore.
the same element that drives the statements such as "China exists" - direct perception or inductive knowledge if by evidence you mean the empirical variety, its probably an indication you should go back to theory before launching into an analysis of values/conclusion and if you don't have direct perception that god does not exist what combination of gall and unmitigated arrogance is driving your statements? you also seem to be convinced that god does not exist since they are most obviously wrong - perhaps you should ask yourself .... and if you also have a similar blank slate when it comes to the nature of god's non-existence .... .... the moment you make statements like this you have just tarred yourself with the same brush like "the god delusion"? depending on whether you want to argue religious practice has progressed or regressed since then, you could say they have moved on to better/worse things spoken by a person who's limit of theistic knowledge is determined by the gideon institute or seminary libraries? meanwhile claims of god's non existence can fly around unimpeded? if by science you mean "classical empiricism", theistic knowledge also confirms it but it can serve as a catalyst to applying religious principles that can establish god so you have direct perception god is a human or are you trying to work us up or something? now focus that razor sharp intelligence of yours and ask yourself what proof do you have to make statements like "God does not exist" and proof doesn't exist without qualification if we are to abide by such instructions of yours its required that you provide us with something to think about instead of your tentative claims or alternatively rather than being a brainwashed believer in god you are now in the exalted position of being a brainwashed disbeliever in god :shrug:
its not so much an excuse but a foundation of theory and even then your attempted debunking is flawed since god does exist in this universe - its the nature of being omnipresent persons concerned about their consciousness i guess why on earth someone would say such things and try and pass it off as science is unfathomable
