The Taller, The Smarter?

Discussion in 'Human Science' started by Pandaemoni, Aug 28, 2007.

  1. cosmictraveler Be kind to yourself always. Valued Senior Member

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    All they need is their mark on their 40 million dollar paychecks, how about you...how much do you earn?
     
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  3. GhostofMaxwell. Banned Banned

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    £5 if I deliver the sundays.

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    No seriously, if they found causation between glasses and intelligence. I would be more convinced.
     
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  5. francois Schwat? Registered Senior Member

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    I like how nobody answers this.
     
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  7. cosmictraveler Be kind to yourself always. Valued Senior Member

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    If you answer it , you will be castrated by a pygmy.
     
  8. francois Schwat? Registered Senior Member

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    It's not worth a damn thing.
     
  9. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    Comparatively taller people have been better cared for as children, on average - which is likely to have included better education, more intellectual stimulation, etc, on average,

    so they should score higher on intelligence tests. On average.

    Only a few people have done actual research on height. Those few have concluded that all races and other large classifications of humans are about the same height, on average. The genetic variation component is within communities - from the parents. So within a community and demographic group, height variation has a large genetic component. But between different communities and demographic groups, it doesn't.

    The Dutch have gone from being one of the shortest people in Europe to being the tallest people on the planet, in about fifty years. They haven't got all that much smarter, as far as anyone has noticed. But probably there are a few malnourished people in Holland, or those who grew up with chronic childhood diseases, and they would probably be both shorter and less intelligent

    on average

    then the rest of the Dutch

    on average.
     
  10. Avatar smoking revolver Valued Senior Member

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    It's actually quite interesting to see houses that were built in the ~~17th century Latvia. The ceilings are normal as you can stand ok, but the doors are somewhere around your shoulders.

    Also in the Tower of London where they have the medieval armour, it's actually quite small, all the mighty knights were in height more like today's children.

    Of course this is not scientific data, just my observations and speculation on them.
     
  11. peta9 Registered Senior Member

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    There is something of height discrimination that exists and is never addressed or admitted.

    I think society is maturing past it slowly but it was endemic. The most pathetic aspect is the treating of shorter people as a moral failing on their part which is stupid.

    I've actually developed a rather indifferent attitude towards height as by itself has no bearing on a person's intelligence, character or personality. They are just taller buffoons that take up more space and require more food, quite inefficent actually.
     
  12. francois Schwat? Registered Senior Member

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    Sounds a lot like jealousy.

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  13. Grantywanty Registered Senior Member

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    Asians tend to score higher on these (ugh) tests. They also tend to be shorter.
     
  14. Grantywanty Registered Senior Member

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    Nah. It sounds like a natural backlash against random discrimination. If you are told your big nose means you are stupid long enough at some point you are likely to notice or make up some crack about people with little noses adn what's wrong with them.
     
  15. francois Schwat? Registered Senior Member

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    That, however, is due to an entirely different phenomenon. Their brains are larger than ours are in relation to their bodies. I wouldn't doubt it if the same which applies to us also applies to them. Taller Asians have higher IQs than shorter ones.

    First, have we already come to a conclusion that the discrimination was random? Has everyone already dismissed the idea, that taller people are more intelligent, presented by the paper at the beginning of the thread? If so, it would be quite a shocker. I haven't heard anything that could be construed as a real argument against it.

    Second, it does sound like a backlash. I think her response was a bit funny though. First she said that she had developed an indifferent attitude toward height. Then almost in the same breath, she says something along the lines "taller people are buffoons who eat a lot."

    Doesn't sound like indifference to me. Sounds more like sour grapes.
     
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  16. cosmictraveler Be kind to yourself always. Valued Senior Member

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    Where oh where do you get these "facts" from? Could you provide a link so that I might be able to see the scientific data on this matter?
     
  17. Avatar smoking revolver Valued Senior Member

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    They're = They are
    They're != Their
     
  18. francois Schwat? Registered Senior Member

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    Well it's been known for a long time that different races have different brain size averages. I'm going to post a wiki on that because I don't want to dig. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_intelligence_(test_data)#Brain_size_.26_structure

    It's also been known for some time that brain size has a strong correlation with intelligence.
    http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNe...ze_intelligence_20051223/20051223?hub=SciTech
     
  19. francois Schwat? Registered Senior Member

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    What! I was typing fast.
     
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    Professor Ulric Neisser (1997) states that the studies comparing brain size by race "exhibit many internal inconsistencies (and the within-groups variabilities are always much larger than the between-groups differences), there is indeed a small overall trend in the direction they describe. Even taken at face value, however, such a trend hardly constitutes evidence for a genetic interpretation".[114]
     
  21. francois Schwat? Registered Senior Member

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    These differences are not insignificant.
     
  22. cosmictraveler Be kind to yourself always. Valued Senior Member

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    A quote from your own link.....


    So now we know that what you say is wrong, because you don't show us where the facts are to back up your opinions. You see there aren't any studies done on Chinese men and women that you can provide a link to so why do you make such false allegations thinking they are true?
     
  23. francois Schwat? Registered Senior Member

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    Yes, some studies do indicate a different story, but not all studies are equal. The major and important studies indicate that brain size matters. That is the consensus in the science community. The whole point of having crappy poorly done studies which indicate an insignificant relationship between EQ and IQ is to cast doubt on the whole idea in the first place. The whole point is so people like you who refuse to look at the big picture can say "zomg, look there is a study here that says your wrong lol now we no your wrong lol."

    My only point is that brain size matters in intelligence. That is not disputed in the science community. My other point is that different groups of human beings differ in brain sizes. That is also not disputed. This is objective, measurable and verifiable information. My point is, if it's a fact that Asians, on the whole, have higher EQs than whites and blacks, and if we know that EQ correlates powerfully with IQ, why wouldn't we expect that their higher EQs have something to do with their higher IQs? Especially considering that we know that IQ is inherited. Tell me, why would we rule that out?
     

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