Is Positive Discrimination necessary?

Positive discrimination (hm)
Sure, I mean if a man who is rich should be positively treated. That's why he gets to pay for legal defense that is vastly superior not only to that of the poor, but also, often, stronger, than the prosecution's offense.
Rich people should get political advantages also. They should be able to influence politicians and have more power than their one vote via lobbyists, etc. Rich people need this extra help because they have more complicated problems than those people who are trying hoping to get by.
Powerful companies should get positively discriminated and be able to influence government spending. for example it is just fine that energy and arms corporations had vastly more influence than most smaller companies when it came to, say, the war in Iraq. These companies stand to make billions on their influence. They need that advantage. What little company could take such advantage of influence? No, the big companies need the positive discrimination.
And so on.

LOL @ the main poster. It's amazing the continous stream of ignorance that never stops in society at large.
Einstein said there only two things that are infinite the universe and human stupidity.

Baron Max said:

Well, sure, in a matter of just numbers! But blacks make up only about 12% of the US population, yet blacks on welfare and government assistance makes up a much, much, much larger percentage than white.

Baron Max

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Government assistance! ARe you really that naive Baron Max or do you simply think in the boxes you are given.

Let take one (big example) Haliburton. They received contracts in Iraq for work which there is very little oversight on and they can bill at whatever levels they like. There was no bidding process for these contracts and the war itself was in part started because of lobbying by companies like Haliburton and Cheney who worked for them

Haliburton's top dogs are making billions of dollars through, guess what, government assistance. How many of those top dogs do you think are black? None.

Shall we talk about how the government has reduced taxes on investments including speculative investments where you make money if things go badly. There is no way to confuse this with work. In fact some people have made millions off of the recent foreclosures. Millions for not working, not taxed because of government assistance.

You've been trained to see your problems or the unfairness in life is, wow, primarily coming from people with not a lot of power. Yeah, let's gnash our teeth about how the poor are getting too much. What a perfect distraction from the some of the rich who are making far vaster sums of money much of it with blood stains on it.

Billy Chyldyshe said:

I live in a city that is 30% black. I work with and enjoy the company of black people everyday.

My point is that , as a group, blacks are a net drain on society. That is not to say that every black person is but that as a group they are.

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Oh boy, here we go again.

Where blacks run businesses the businesses they run are derivative providing services or retail trade and usually only succeed where politics and or minority 'set asides' make it impossible to fail, i.e. they do not have to compete with other business.

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Where did you get this from? There are plenty of black run businesses that are successful, where do you live? How exactly does one "make it impossible to fail"?:shrug:

If someone could point me to a black run engineering, manufacturing, pharmaceutical or any other major enterprise listed on a major stock exchange I would appreciate it. I maintain they do not exist.

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BET Holdings Inc
Ault Inc
Antra Holding Group
Radio One
United American Healthcare Corp
DME Interactive

just to name some....

Remember there are almost 40 million blacks in the US. Yet tiny Ireland has more major enterprises operating in America than all of America's blacks have created which is none. The US has an Indian Hindu community of a million or so and they are of recent origin but they are wealthy and account for a large percentage of our IT and computer industry start up companies. In the UK the situatio is better. We are far less ghettoised than the USA..less gated communities and an altigther fairer systen..esp. re Health. To my mind the USA has a lot to learn...as spelt out in Michael Moores latest film.

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America had this thing called segregation, and it's after effects left black communites extremely poor and without infrastructure. In order to start a "major" enterprise, you need financial backing. Banks have long discriminated against blacks, so how exactly are black people supposed to create major corporations in mass numbers?

There are many black owned and operated businesses in the USA. Just not as many "major" enterprises.

This is the problem and I take no joy in pointing it out. Mobile phones, computers, biotech, IT are all new industries open to anyone smart enough to understand the technology and with the drive to found an enterprise yet blacks are totally absent from these fields except as non critical employees. I want to see
a black Larry Ellison ( Oracle) Gordon Moore ( Intel) Bill Gates ( Microsoft) or even some black entreprenuer building a Walmart
or Tesco. But I don't. Why?

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Money is the issue. You need money, to make money.$$$$