before the Big Bang

Discussion in 'Astronomy, Exobiology, & Cosmology' started by Atom, Aug 8, 2007.

  1. Oli Heute der Enteteich... Registered Senior Member

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    No (and yes).
    The sun was formed because the energy (heat) grew less (becoming spread out) it allowed particles, atoms, etc (as said above) to form.
    But all of the energy in the sun is BECAUSE of the big bang and the energy it contained.
    The sun still has some of the heat from the big bang (in a roundabout way).
    The "heat" from the big bang won't be all gone until everything is cold and dead at near enough zero Kelvin (if the universe keeps expanding).
    Then that energy will be too spread out and diffuse to be useful for anything
     
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  3. Klitwo Registered Member

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    Please enlighten us Neanderthals about the 'Beginning of Nothing' which you seem to know more about than the rest of us. Perhaps you have some extrodinary line of communication with the 'Supreme' whatever it is?
     
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  5. Yorda Registered Senior Member

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    "before the Beginning"

    the "something" we call universe can't have come from something (like god) because it doesn't explain where something came from. something can only come from nothing, it can't come from another something.

    the universe and gods can't have existed forever because it's illogical and unthinkable that something could have existed forever. the only thing that could have existed forever is nothing...

    if something/universe is nothing (it can't be anything else), then it has existed forever. if god is nothing, then it created everything.

    nothing has never begun (that's why the universe exists), it has always existed, and there is nothing to know about it because it's nothing...
     
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  7. Klitwo Registered Member

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    Oooooooooooo.K.
     
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  8. Orleander OH JOY!!!! Valued Senior Member

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    is it possible there are lots of galaxies and one crashed into another creating our galaxy?
     
  9. Klitwo Registered Member

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    Sure it is. Look forward to the Andromeda galaxy crashing into ours in about 2.5 billion years or so. Should be a real 'hot weekend' when it does.

    http://www.exitmundi.nl/andromeda.htm
     
  10. Orleander OH JOY!!!! Valued Senior Member

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    I think I meant universes. Can universes crash into each other?
     
  11. Cyperium I'm always me Valued Senior Member

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    God isn't that complex I think, actually I think that it is absurd to think in those lines when it comes to God, the nature of the world needs many co-working parts to make anything intelligent, the same does not need to apply to God as He isn't necessarily of the same nature as this world.
     
  12. andbna Registered Senior Member

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    Ah but Billy, science does try and find these answers.

    Stephen Hawking for instance has done much work in this area.
    Heres an excerpt from nice lecture which pretty much covers this topic.
    - http://www.hawking.org.uk/lectures/lindex.html

    What Oli meant by it being a null question was it is akin to asking "What's north of the north pole?"

    As for how the universe cooled, it's simple gas laws: the universe expanded (big bang), meaning its volume increased. If your volume increases, your tempurature and preassure decrease. It eventualy decreased to the point where the 4 forces became seperate, stable particles were able to form, and finally atoms and molecules were able to form, thus allowing for fusion to start taking place (and thereby forming the first stars.)

    -Andrew
     
  13. cosmictraveler Be kind to yourself always. Valued Senior Member

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    Because they don't know but they are trying to find out by experiments not by blind faith.
     
  14. Klitwo Registered Member

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    I guess anything is possible when it comes to the existance of multiple universes. However, the universe being so vast, especially this one, it would probably take tens of billions of years to notice another universe is coming your way. With that in mind, it would probably be an interesting topic for discussion at your local astronomy club's next star party though.
     
  15. Orleander OH JOY!!!! Valued Senior Member

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    Our universe isn't infinite right? It ends. Can another one just be parallel to ours? Would we feel it?
     
  16. Kadark Banned Banned

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    I believe that's called the multiverse theory: the idea that there is more than one universe. Theoretically, another universe COULD exist outside of our's...but, thus far, nothing has been tested, let alone proven.
     
  17. Orleander OH JOY!!!! Valued Senior Member

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    crap. so much for having an original thought.
     
  18. halo07guy Registered Senior Member

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    Now that I think about it, the singularity may have been infinitely small and infinitely large at the same time. Infinitely small on the outside, but infinitely large on the inside. Confusing much?

    There is also a theory that the Big Bang was a white hole collapsing inside a black hole, which would explain the huge amounts of materiel ejecta.
     
  19. Captain Kremmen All aboard, me Hearties! Valued Senior Member

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    And that Goose came out of an egg.
    Which came out of another Goose.
    Where did the first egg come from?
     
  20. TruthSeeker Fancy Virtual Reality Monkey Valued Senior Member

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    Neither. Think about it.
     
  21. Klitwo Registered Member

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    Look at the universe as if it were like a big swimming pool filled with a bunch of water filled balloons. Is that your hypothesis?
     
  22. cosmictraveler Be kind to yourself always. Valued Senior Member

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    From my ex wife when she threw it at me!

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  23. Captain Kremmen All aboard, me Hearties! Valued Senior Member

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    Original Question:

    "Atheists are keen to ask 'If God exists then who made Him'.
    Why can't they explain what happened prior to the 'Big Bang'?
    Surely whats sauce for the goose is sause for the gander."




    Your restriction reduces the question to
    "What happened prior to the big Bang"
    Probably discussed 100 times before. Ad nauseam.
    It's a less interesting question.
     

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