Electronic tagging for all

Discussion in 'Free Thoughts' started by sjmarsha, Aug 16, 2002.

  1. A4Ever Knows where his towel is Registered Senior Member

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    We are all criminals.

    No wait, we are fond of our freedom.

    Children can be tagged when the parrents agree, but only temporarily.

    Mobile phones can be located too.

    Criminals will find a way around the chips.

    No it wouldn't. If you could know EXACTLY when the children were alone, you would need two minutes to barge in and get the children.

    No response team is that fast.

    You don't understand personal freedom nor democracy.

    Yeah, you just sit there and wait. Quietly.

    I said quietly.
     
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  3. nroweatherman Registered Senior Member

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    suppose these "criminals" who do these abductions are doing them for the army... there'd still be 1000...

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  5. lixluke Refined Reinvention Valued Senior Member

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    seriously ur joking ryt?
    putting tags on people?

    do u kno y we kidnap, rob, shoot, and kill?

    how is treating us worse going 2 make things better?

    even if it does lower crime, it wouldnt be possible to live under those conditions.

    if we cant live and grow as humans and be treated correctly without being tagged like we're a bunch of morons, y would we stop kidnapping robbing, and killing?

    i dont kno about u but most people feel that they could be living better lives, acheiving more, and feel happier and healthier.

    the problem is, those that we elected 2 watch over us protect us and take care of us r actually the ones that r slowing our progress and stepping on us.

    u will hav 2 wait until all of us who r against tagging dies or u can go liv somwer else in ur own separate nightmare society wer everbody gets tagged and treated like crap but they cant do anything about it. y? because they r tagged and they will get caught if they try 2 fight back.

    if we wer treated with mor respect and given more freedom, if we wer actually cared for maybe we wouldnt hav the tym or the thot 2 commit all these crimes.

    we wait for the day society stops treating us like a problem to be dealt with.

    the day when society cares enough 2 provide the individual with a more nurturing evironment

    until that day, we will continue 2 rob, we will continue 2 kidnap, we will continue 2 murder, we will continue 2 shoot up our schools, we will continue 2 crash airplanes and blow up large buildings, and we will continue 2 resent one another.

    they hurt us, we hurt them back, they hurt us back, we hurt them again, and so on and so forth.

    they bomb us, we bomb them.

    it doesnt end until the one more powerful seems 2 cum out on top.
    its not good triumphing over evil.
    its the powerful overcoming the weak.
    with great power comes what?
    responsibility?
    not in this world.
     
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  7. NightFall Lazy Hedonist Valued Senior Member

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    anyone ever seen resident evil yet?
    its about the effects of a good security system (and having too much advanced technology) or i think so anyway....

    i think people need to deal with their problems and stop trying to find some computer or other force to do it for them. if your a parent. take care of your kid. if you leave your house.. lock the door. and most of all.. people dont just brak into your house or kidknapp your kid becuase "he/she was there"... no one is going to hold a poor persons kid ransom. and (in most cases) no one is going to break into your ouse unless they know you have something they want.
     
  8. Thor "Pfft, Rebel scum!" Valued Senior Member

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    I've seen it. Thats one mean security system.
     
  9. sjmarsha Registered Senior Member

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    Yes but the children would be tagged so the police could follow them.

    Sorry its taking too long.

    What makes you say that?Perhaps if more people were willing to give a little then we could get alot in return. i.e give up a bit of personal freedom for a better world.

    What does democracy have to do with it?

    Coolskill--> Sorry but i cannot read what you have written. Do you not have vowels on your keyboard?

    here here. People are too stupid.
     
  10. A4Ever Knows where his towel is Registered Senior Member

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    Like I said, criminals will find a way around the chips.

    Say we put the chip in the arm.

    Now when some secret service want to kidnap someone, that would make for interesting dismemberment scenes.

    We found an arm chief.

    Patience is a virtue. Enforcing your ideas to others will never work.

    Waiting for your opponents to die off shows a poor understanding of democracy.

    It is giving up A LOT of personal freedom. Why do you think 1984 was written? Do you see any difference between cameras and chips?

    At least they know how to value freedom.

    I agree.
     
  11. ~The_Chosen~ Registered Senior Member

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    Quite the bickering!

    We'd all be cyborgs in the near future anyway

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  12. MRC_Hans Skeptic Registered Senior Member

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    postoak:
    St. Petersburg??? Where do you buy maps? Nahh, look again. Your lattitude is OK, but you're a bit off in longitude. A thousand miles or so.

    Btw, I've met several Russians on the www, so whats the joke?

    Hans
     
  13. Avatar smoking revolver Valued Senior Member

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    I think that it is aprox 6 km E of Vordingborg, Storestroems Amt, Denmark

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    edit to add- and to all who may wonder- it is not a joke, I'm really posting from Latvia:bugeye:
     
  14. Merlijn curious cat Registered Senior Member

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    I all ofr it!
    And I don't see how such implants would restrain me in my freedom (if there is such a thing at all).
    I really do believe this would dramatically reduce crime rates. Most of the serious crimes are commited by recidivistic individuals, so the dept of justice would know who to follow. I don't think they would be very interested in e.g. my daily going to work and the supermarket.

    Furthermore, many cards most of us carry (credit-cards, paycards, discount cards, membership cards, etc.) do quite some monitoring allready. The difference is that you have to actively use them to be monited.

    Good thinking sjmarsha!
     
  15. sjmarsha Registered Senior Member

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    Wahay someone on my side!
    What if we put it in the heart? or the brain?

    Yep. but we are already being semi tracked like Merlijn said. What diffference does it make wether it be by camera or chip? because they have face recognition now adays, it could be implemented without our knowledge.

    Yes but do they? If you truly valued your freedom then surely you would give some of it up to allow others their freedom as well?

    And please remember that the dead do not have any freedom.
     
  16. MRC_Hans Skeptic Registered Senior Member

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    Heheh, I've now checked those coordinates twice, and they're correct. I would discourage both of you to go sailing before brushing up your navigation, heheh. You're getting closer, though. Its north of Copenhagen.

    sjmarsha:
    Now IF the tagging scheme could virtually abolish crime, it just might be worth considering. But it cant:

    Murder: Many murders happen in a momentary rage. The murderer does not contemplete wether he's going to be caught or not. Also tags will only help solve cases if only the murderer and the victim were at the scene. With tags, premeditated murders would be done in a crowd (endangering bystanders). Finally, many murder cases must rest because it cannot be proved that it WAS murder ("No I didnt push him").

    Rape: Problem with rape cases is usually to prove that it was rape, not that the perpetrator was on the scene.

    Burglary: Well sure it would help, but some burglars are desparate junkeys, they might run the risk.

    And of course, we dont at present have the technology to trace small passive implantable chips over great areas, that would require a very complex structure of tracer stations all over the country.

    And it could still be foiled, --- actually thats a pun; wrap the part of your body containing the chip in aluminum foil and you go undetected. We dont have a technology that cannot be fooled, and because of that, the scheme might bring us from the ashes into the fire: Now a criminal could get the perfect aliby; "Did you trace me there? No? Then I wasnt there!".

    Im afraid the solution to the problem of crime is not in technology but in sociology.

    Hans
     
  17. postoak Registered Senior Member

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    sjmarsha -- hey, I'm on your side too. It doesn't matter if ALL crime is prevented to make this a worthwhile idea. It's really not about prevention, anyway, it's about catching perpetrators. Since, as someone pointed out, most crime is committed by a small percentage of the population, doing multiple crimes, getting those people into prison as quickly as possible would drastically reduce crime rates. Also, there would be other benefits as well. For example, locating missing children.

    Of course it's not doable now -- this is a pie-in-the-sky discussion anyway.

    We've been trying to control crime via sociology for a couple of hundred years now, with little or no progress made. I think we can use some help from technology.

    MRC Hans -- oops, sorry, I read the coordinates too quickly and saw 30 degrees east instead of 12 degrees 30 minutes east.

    Actually, I don't encounter many Russians on the net -- more people from the other parts of the former Soviet Union. Especially Belarussians. This might make a good thread sometime, to have Non-north-American members "check in".
     
  18. divine sapience Registered Senior Member

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    the mark is out
     
  19. A4Ever Knows where his towel is Registered Senior Member

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    Heart or brain surgery enforced on little children?

    Lots of these assaults on our freedom are condemned by for example the European Court. It is a violation of the right on privacy.

    I allow others their freedom by not having them tagged.

    Are you sure? Ever been dead?

    Most crimes do not involve killing someone. Mrc Hans pointed out some other flaws.
     
  20. Bowser Namaste Valued Senior Member

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    I read that a woman and her associate have been granted several patents for GPS systems which can be concealed in a child's clothing. It will set off an alarm if the child leaves a predetermine boundary. It can be used to locate a missing child.

    I'm for individual tracking systems, providing we retain the option to shut down those systems.
     
  21. Lesion42 Deranged Hermit Registered Senior Member

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    Damn, I love that movie. The Red Queen is such a manipulative little cyber child...
     
  22. NightFall Lazy Hedonist Valued Senior Member

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    the story was good... but i wasn't able to actually *watch* all of it... kept the lights on for few nights afterwards.. but im such a scardycat anyhow..

    i think having a chip in a childs clothing sounds like a good idea... but actaully implanting it into a persons body is a little too much playing god. i feel for technology to improve, it needs to take a few steps backward.
     
  23. Avatar smoking revolver Valued Senior Member

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    It has already een done in UK.
    watched on Discovery
    one proffesor has an implant and everywhere e goes in his lab house doors are opened before him, lights are switched on, temperature adjusted and what not
    .
    I think that a simple card could do the trick - no need for implanting
     

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