Terrorism

Discussion in 'Politics' started by madanthonywayne, Jul 9, 2007.

  1. madanthonywayne Morning in America Registered Senior Member

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    A lot of apologists for Islamic terrorists are fond of saying:
    Now I'd say that is utterly absurd. These people take the unfortunate collateral damage that occurs in any war and equate it with the intentional attacks on civilians carried out by terrorists.

    In any war there are civilian casualties. But for terrorists these casualties are their goal. They exist only to kill the innocent.

    Now there are certain actions by governments that occur during war that come close to terrorism. Such things are Germany's attack on London, or the US nuking of Japan. But there is at least one crucial difference.

    Terrorists act in the shadows. They wear no uniforms. They sneak around like the cowards they are and hide away to avoid retribution.

    And that is a crucial difference. When the Geneva Convention was crafted, it specifically stated that it applied to those who wore uniforms. Why? Because the only real law of war comes from fear of retribution.

    When Germany began bombing London during WW2, it did so in ships proudly bearing the symbol of Germany (the Swastika). They were saying, in effect, "You don't like what we're doing? Then come see us in Berlin and do something about it!"

    And we did.

    Fear of retribution is the only thing that really restrains an army from commiting atrocities. The USSR could have wiped the US off the map at any point during the cold war. Why didn't they? Because their victory would have been short lived. As soon as we saw their missles, we'd have launched our own.

    So I'm saying that terrorism consists of two equally important factors:
    1. Intentionally commiting atrocities against civilians
    2. Doing so in secret, wearing no uniform, representing no nation.​

    Because terrorists do not wear uniforms, they do not fear retribution. Therefore they are not constrained by the normal laws of war and are free to commit horrific atrocities.

    The US Army, of course, does not meet either criteria.
     
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    Just to pull your chain, how well these claims suits with CIA ?

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    1. Intentionally commiting atrocities against civilians
    2. Doing so in secret, wearing no uniform, representing no nation.
     
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  5. stu43t Valued Senior Member

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    Oooh I see - Your saying that the CIA belongs to no nation, and that they sneak around (secretly) in disguise, commiting nasty things to innocent citizens.

    I bet they knock on doors and run away too, nasty men! LOL

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  7. pjdude1219 The biscuit has risen Valued Senior Member

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    um terrorism doesn't have anything to do with killing its about fear
     
  8. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    "Both [the Islamists and Neoconservatives] were idealists who were born out of the failure of the liberal dream to build a better world. And both had a very similar explanation for what caused that failure. These two groups have changed the world, but not in the way that either intended. Together, they created today's nightmare vision of a secret, organized evil that threatens the world. A fantasy that politicians then found restored their power and authority in a disillusioned age. And those with the darkest fears became the most powerful.

    http://www.archive.org/details/ThePowerOfNightmares
     
  9. stu43t Valued Senior Member

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    Terrorism isn't about killing ???? Sheeesh

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    Wow - better tell all those terrorists out there that they've got it all wrong. Al-Queda is gonna be really sad to hear this
     
  10. pjdude1219 The biscuit has risen Valued Senior Member

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    terrorist do tend to kill but that is not the goal of an act of terror the goal of an act of terror is to create fear.
     
  11. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Agreed. What say you to this?

    Report: U.S. Sponsoring Kurdish Guerilla Attacks Inside Iran

    US hiring MEK terrorists for secret war in Iran


    U.S. supported al-Qaeda cells during Balkan Wars

    US Aiding Al Qaeda Affiliated Group In Iran?
     
  12. Mr.Spock Back from the dead Valued Senior Member

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  13. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    You should recognise the tactics. Its how Hamas came to be.
     
  14. Mr.Spock Back from the dead Valued Senior Member

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    so the muslim is telling me i should recognize how a fanatic muslim terror group came to be....................

    next you are gonna blame me for that stupid avatar right?
     
  15. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Too bad karma has a tendency to come back to bite you in the ass
     
  16. Mr.Spock Back from the dead Valued Senior Member

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    yeah, it was karma during the holocaust too right sam? what was it you said, it was the jews fault?
     
  17. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    :yawn: Sorry not interested in your hand wringing. The poor jews of the holocaust thingy is getting stale.
     
  18. Mr.Spock Back from the dead Valued Senior Member

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    i couldnt ask for a better reply. maybe the karma will come back to bite you in the ass for this. one who doesnt want to remember the past, will see history repeating itself.
     
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  20. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    That is simply false, as any number of terrorist incidents will easily show. In 9/11, for example, an entire planeload of terrorists - one of only four available, assigned to one of the four most important terrorist targets - flew past tens of thousands of ripe civilian targets and into the Pentagon. There aren't many large buildings that plane could have hit that morning and killed fewer innocents - or anyone else. So killing the innocent is obviously not the "only goal". It isn't even a high priority.

    The US sponsors, with money and arms and training and logistical support and careful exemption from prosecution, many terrorist groups and a great deal of terrorism.

    The Geneva Convention does not state that it applies only to those who wear uniforms. It specifies uniforms as one way - among others - of identifying members of an organized military group. It specifically states that it applies to many kinds of captured people that do not wear uniforms - it lists a couple of them.
    The atrocities brought about by the deliberately adopted tactics and the inadvertently created situations of the US official armed forces during the occupation of Iraq are not usually what people mean by "US terrorism".

    Although one could make a case for the interrogation policies and incarceration circumstances of the prisons at Bagram, Abu Ghraib, Bucca, et al, as applications of state terror tactics. And some of the napalm, WP, heavy ordnance, checkpoint and convoy policies, and other military tactics might qualify, at least after the initial invasion phase.

    But what people usually mean by US terrorism is the many dozens of paramilitary and guerrilla groups sponsored by the US, US agencies, US corporations, etc, worldwide. They terrorize, deliberately, as a strategy, and that would seem to fit most people's idea of terrorist.
     
  21. Mr.Spock Back from the dead Valued Senior Member

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    now where have i heard this before?

    ho, i remember:

    yes we are tired of the old holocaust, lets start a new one

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  22. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Boy you sure love to wallow in self pity.
     
  23. Mr.Spock Back from the dead Valued Senior Member

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    there is a nazi propaganda against jews in the islamic world and all you can say is im the one with the problem?

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    your hijack blame knows no bounds.
     

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