are all americans illegal immigrants?

No country as viewed by the eyes of the settlers, however the Native American tribes particularly the Cherokees, Iroquios, and the Sioux were territorial in many regards. The fault with the Indians is that they were not familiar with the white settlers' ways, and preferred coexistence to conflict. This allowed the Europeans to establish a foothold in the continent and perpetuate Manifest Destiny and other nonsense which completely legitimatized the genocide of the Indian people. The Europeans are illegal, and the land belongs to the Native Americans. It was stolen form them by deception, force, and eventually outright genocide. The once proud Indian nations now live like homeless people in the middle of worthless desert far away from the lands of their ancestors and heritage.

The Cherokees, Navahos, Sioux, Arapahos, Cheyennes were among many tribes which resisted the US presence on their sacred land. The plains Indians led by Red Cloud fought a great war with the white settlers after the white people broke their treaty and started settling their valley. These wars say the deaths of thousands of American soldiers.

It is a great dishonor and deception to say the Indians didn't resist. The only problem was the superior technology like the howitzers, otherwise the Indians would have defeated the white settlers as they were brave and fearless.

 

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Unfortunately, territorial doesn't constitute a country... dogs are territorial too, but they don't have a country. Also, you have failed to prove that the Indians had any laws regarding immigration into their territory. Failure to prove that means that we have broken no laws and we are not illegal.

Is it our fault they were that dumb... or naive I guess? Was it our fault they were that weak? Was it our fault that they couldn't resist?

Oh really? www.foxwoods.com

I didn't say they didn't resist, I said they stopped resisting... you don't see any Indians doing suicide bombings against the general public, now do you? DiamondHearts, read the fine print or, really, just STFU.

To anyone who says we are illegal, please, direct me to a law that was created by the Native Americans that has anything to do with immigration. Until you can do that, there is no possible way we could be illegal; we didn't break any laws!!!

 

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What exactly do you define as laws? The consensus passed between a tribe's leaders is enough of a law. Not only this, but the US government willingly made treaties with the Indians dividing US land from Indian land, only later to go back on their word and settle on Indian land which they deemed so in the treaties. Please read of the American Midwest and the broken land treaties with the Sioux nations in particular.

The US policy with the Indians was one of lies, deception, and outright hypocrisy. The US used the honesty and trust of the Indian nations, in particular the Cheyennes and Sioux of the Midwest, to cheat them out of their land, and when this failed they bullied the great Indian nations into reservations where many hundreds of Indians died of malnutrition and starvation.

The Native Americans, unlike the white settlers, tolerated and even helped the white settlers in their harsh times, but the white settlers would take advantage every goodwill measure by the Indians and later were complicit in the rape, plunder, and genocide of their people.

This same exact scenario was also repeated in Australia with the natives there.

In short, the US government is guilty of wholesale genocide and extermination of the Indian populations whose land they stole and whose survivors they pushed into desert reservations. To not acknowledge this great injustice is to insult all the Indians who fought bravely for their land after the white men invaded and destroyed the world they gre up in.

 

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I'm not about to read through 22 or more posts in this whole thread so I'll just put my comment here and apologize in advance if it's already been said.

There was no such thing as "illegal immigrants" when the country was first being colonized. And much later, after the country was founded and immigration laws WERE put into place, they were very, very liberal for quite some time. People flooded in from Europe and other parts of the world - quite legally, thank you.

So the answer to the quesion is a resounding NO.

 

Is this opinion shared by the original inhabitants? The ones being colonized?

 

I consider it survival of the fittest. If they can get their butts here and stay here, fine. But no whining when you get caught and get sent back.

 

Now there's a pragmatic outlook.

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Do you think the wimps would even extend themselves to that extent?

 

Back on topic somewhat, I still have yet to see any law regarding immigration that the Native Americans have made. I suggest if anyone wants to continue carrying their case they provide a law, otherwise how is it ILLEGAL.

Just in case you have forgotten, which it seems some of you have, here is a definition of illegal, please prove how the Europeans moving to America was ILLEGAL:
American Heritage Dictionary - Cite This Source
il·le·gal (ĭ-lē'gəl) Pronunciation Key
adj.

1. Prohibited by law.

 

Is this definition provided by the hosts or the invaders?

 

I believe that definition was provided by American Heritage Dictionary. You make the decision, I don't see how it matters though, in any dictionary you'll find that definition. Please, provide me with a law or just stop arguing meaninglessly.

 

Your country (UK, correct?) has restrictions on immigrants, so you're a hypocrite. Why don't you open up immigration from the former Soviet Bloc states, which are now (supposedly) full members of the EU?

http://www.workpermit.com/news/2007-06-20/uk/managing-global-migration-report.htm

Mexico and America are two separate states, and there exist no treaties governing free movement across the border, UNLIKE the situation in the EU, where Romanians and Poles and Bulgarians are supposed to have the same rights (i.e. freedom of travel) as Britons, Germans, and French.

Dick.

 

i dont see how im a hypocrite, why dont i open up? last time i checked i did not have that power. just because the country i live in does something it doesent make it my fault.


my point is if your an immigrant how can you complain about immigrants, im saying how can anybody justify why another race of people cant come into the country, if 5-6 generations ago your ancestor was an immigrant how can you tell other immigrants to leave now?,


peace,

 

For the same reason you don't want a bunch of Poles showing up in England.

 

why dont i? im going to fuck off to another country when im older. i dont care who goes where. without immigrants the econmy wouldent have made it in the past. how do you think we all recover from the world wars?


in my personal opinion i dont care who goes where, the coalition seems like go anywhere it likes,




peace.

 

And we for some reason are responsible for what our country did hundreds of year ago?

Because my ancestors were legal; they came through Ellis like everyone else. These immigrants ran across a desert, they were not legal... see the difference?

We're not saying that another race can't come into our country, we're saying that they can't do it illegally. They wanna take the time to go through the whole process, then fine, I couldn't care less if they come into my country.

 

Dark520

nope im saying your not responsible for it, and you cant complain about immigrants because we are all immigrants apart from africans,

nope dont see the difference.

who is "we" the people im talking about say otherwise. and i suppose the immigrants that you decend from immigrated in the best interest and respect of the natives?


peace.

 

You guys are missing the point. The thread questions "are all americans illegal immigrants?" I suppose the question is really about the americans ALREADY residing in the U.S. Its not about Mexicans, Indians, Poles, u name it...sneaking into the country. This thread is about those who have already sneaked it.

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Perhaps you should go back and read the initial post...

 

Then why don't you go whine about something just as pointless like who the Native Americans killed to get their land? Or maybe how the British killed whoever was in GB before they were there? Or maybe you could then go look at who the Chinese killed to get the land they're living on now...

Seriously, why do you always put the US in your scope? Is it just because you want to make it seem even more evil than you have already been convinced to believe?

We are not complaining about immigrants. We are complaining about ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS that steal our money, lie, commit crimes, and numerous other things that we, the people in charge, do not like. If you can't see a difference in that then you really should just stop posting on these forums.

Pleae, inform me as to who you're talking about. Yes they did, the natives were Americans and my ancestors immigrated and improved America.

 

perhaps u should look up and read the title of the thread...