Absolutely. Though Peter was not Satan, but what he said was a "stumbling block" to Jesus. Remember the Garden of Gestmain (I hate spelling that, LOL! Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! )? What do you learn in the Garden? Yes, absolutely. Nobody is a Christian if he does not carry the cross with Jesus. In other words, you must give your life for the good of the whole species and the world. That's what he mean in the last sentence. Truly, I say to you ( Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! ), for the ones who do not fear to lose their lives for the goodness of all are the truky free ones, and those who seek to protect their lives to the point of hurting others are, truly, in deep turmoil and in fear of losing their lives. Where is the freedom in such fear? Therefore, do not fear death, for God is eternal, and so is the spirit that follows Him. Whoever has God within, his spirit is eternal with His spirit. Whoever follows the Love of God will never truly perish, but die in peace, for their lives will be a blessing to all, and the memories of their blessings will live forever in the hearts of men. That's an immature interpretation of the scripture. The scripture essentially talks about fear. Jesus was afraid of the crucifixion. That's why he cried in the garden. That's why he asked "Father, do I really need to do this?". That's why he rebuked Peter, because he was afraid of the crucifixion and Peter, rather then motivating him, stirred up his fear. Oh, and nowhere in the scripture does it say "repent". That's totally out of your own mind.
Why do you think he said that? Maybe he loves Jesus? Wouldn't you say the same? But... Fear. That's what a Christian would do, right?
I think you are right about that, we must reconcile our inevitable divisions, like were you were born and what race you are. Those are inevitable divisions that must be reconciled, because are just superficial, and we must be bigger than that. Jealousy and envy you know… But I’m talking about man-made divisions; they make no sense to me man. If you are a Christian, it is more likely you won’t accept someone else being a Muslim, and vice versa. When I was a kid, like 7 year old, my family was going for a political party, so I was all about their colors and stuff, because my family told me to go for them, that is the “good side”. I was so happy, because I was in the “good side”. Then it happened, one of my best friends was going for another political party, it was different than mine. He was no longer my friend for that period of time, we became like adversaries. I think is human nature and we learn it from infancy. It is like the “dark side” and the “good side” in Star Wars, I keep thinking, they are all in the “dark side”. The "good side" is that of those who are not fighting at all. In all the movies, the TV, everything, you see a “good side” and a “bad side”. You have to be in one of those, you can’t have both. But in my perspective, you are in the bad side just by choosing a side. You learn this from infancy from a lot of sources, and if a kid is born in a Christian family, he will believe he is in the “good side”, and can’t mix with people in the “bad side”.
I don't believe it was about fear. If it were about fear, why would Jesus bother to even tell His disciples what will happen? It seems to me Jesus is owning up to what the Father asked Him to do and not running away from it. In fact, He tells Peter that Satan was a "stumbling block" to Him. Notice that it is merely a "stumbling block," nothing more. The description for fear would be something more than a "stumbling block." If Peter truly loved Him, then Peter would have trusted in Him and what He said about the things to pass. Instead, Peter was being selfish, thinking about himself in much the same way selfishness causes sin today. In fact, Jesus rebukes His disciples by telling them not to be selfish. Christenstein
Of course the critical distinction is exactly what one believes about "Jesus, Mohammed and all the prophets."
This is a chapter of the Holy Quran about the life of Maryam and Jesus (peace be to them). Surat Maryam 19:27. At length she brought the (babe) to her people, carrying him (in her arms). They said: "O Mary! truly an amazing thing hast thou brought! 28. "O sister of Aaron! Thy father was not a man of evil, nor thy mother a woman unchaste!" 29. But she pointed to the babe. They said: "How can we talk to one who is a child in the cradle?" 30. He said: "I am indeed a servant of Allah. He hath given me revelation and made me a prophet; 31. "And He hath made me blessed wheresoever I be, and hath enjoined on me Prayer and Charity as long as I live; 32. "(He) hath made me kind to my mother, and not overbearing or miserable; 33. "So peace is on me the day I was born, the day that I die, and the day that I shall be raised up to life (again)"! 34. Such (was) Jesus the son of Mary: (it is) a statement of truth, about which they (vainly) dispute. 35. It is not befitting to (the majesty of) Allah that He should beget a son. Glory be to Him! when He determines a matter, He only says to it, "Be", and it is. 36. Verily Allah is my Lord and your Lord: Him therefore serve ye: this is a Way that is straight. http://www.islamicity.com/mosque/QURAN/19.htm How does this compare with Christian belief? Any comments?
You speak with such false authority. Why don't you look at this verse in the Bible? For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
While I do in fact believe that there are verses in the NT which refer to Jesus as God or at least divine in some way, I personally wouldn't use this verse as authoritative. For one, it's a disputed passage and some early manuscripts do not contain it. Secondly, being "one" doesn't necessarily mean "equal in essence". In John, for instance, Jesus is portrayed as praying for his disciples to be one, and one in "us" (Jesus and "his Father"). This John passage seems to be about some kind of unity of purpose and not necessarily essence, unless someone wishes to say that Christians can be equal with God, in my opinion.
Allow me to clarify. Jesus never says he is God. His disciples DO seem to imply that he is divine in some way. No one says he is God. This is all as far as I am aware. I have been searching for quite some time now.
The verse is still debatable among scholars. The whole point of this exercise is to expose your arrogance in matters of Biblical interpretation. There are certainly other verses, less under debate, that I could have use, but I used this one to expose you. I rest my case. - Christenstein
what? are you saying I'm a better muslim than you? would like yours first & that lord would be the stone moon god allah why? you & S.A.M. are providing it for me, thanks BTW would you be referring to SIR Salman Rushdie? bad taste, calling him a lunatic, I would tend to call R. Khomeini the lunatic,for issuing a fatwah to a novelist & I thought that was your strategy by Mohammad trying to incorparate Jesus & the Jewish prophets, 1) he was attempting to prove he was a prophet & 2) PREEMPTING chrisitians & jews by insisting that Jesus, Moses were muslims if that were true, why didn't the Bible ever include the name "allah", as a form of worship, as a name for children, why wasn't Jesus named differently? as in "allashua", which would be translated as "allah saves", instead He was called "Y'shua", for "YHWH saves", Issa is an arabic transliteration of "Jesus", which is the Greek form of what in english is "Joshua" but of course allah & Mohammad didn't know hebrew or Aramaic to know that, since allah is an arabic god, he only understands arabic lets face it, Mohammad was a poor historian hmmm, why don't I believe that? .as an islamic scholar you should already be familiar with this, tiqayya was used to wrest the califate from Ali (of the Shia) thank you for vouch-safeing for her, so, are you an honest person?
this is such a laughable mistake, poor Mohammad mixed up Mariam, the sister of Moses & Aaron (of the tribe of Levi) from about 1,000 years before Jesus was born, with Mary of the tribe of Judah, the kings of Israel were supposed to come from the tribe of Judah, God had promised the that the scepter would never leave the House of David, which was from the tribe of Judah, but of course, Mohammad could not know that, since he did not the Bible, but made it up as he went along to put in the quran, remembering bits & pieces of what he had heard along caravan routes & campfires see this: http://www.jewfaq.org/moshe.htm 1st of all, Jesus was not a muslim, it wasn't invented until Mohammad did, Jesus was born a Jew, lived as a prophet & died for all. his first miracle was turning water into wine at the wedding at Cana, read the Bible if you want original sources ... here is the kicker, the preemption clause, trying to make every body believe that this version is correct, not what the Bible says, why, how could anyone believe those early chrisitians, they would never allow "true islam" to be written in the Bible, while those true historians, those virtuous men of islam would never, no never allow corruption to creep into the words of Jesus or Mohammad again its obvious Mohammad didn't understand Christianity then, nor do you now, otherwise you would really exclaim, "I'm a christian!!!" & mean it if there is any muslim that is so blinded by the quran, that things that Jesus is the physical son of God, why then they are mormon, that is the only cult that believes that, so muslin=ms are in good company among believers of falsehood allah is the way of the broad road that leads to destruction of which Jesus spoke about exact opposite, islam may be the true anti-Christ
WildBlueYonder, I thought that we can talk to each other with respect and courtesy but now I see perhaps I was asking for too much from you. How many times do I have to quote the same verses for you to understand? Allah swt is the Lord of the Universe, the sun, the moon and everything which exists are subservient to Him. He is not visible to us and His form is nothing like His creation. If you wish to continue, please provide Quranic verses to support this claim. I guess you have a right to speculate on this, though it is still merely speculation. Muslims believe that the Prophet Muhammad (peace be to him) is the last prophet and that he came to correct the errant ways of the Christians and Jews who had fallen from the true religion of Abraham. Islam is the most monotheistic religion on the planet. Allah swt (God) has unlimited power and control over the universe, He is far above man without any child from His creation as this would taint His honor, and not similar to any creation with a perfect form which is hidden and beyond comprehension of man until the Day of Judgement. Lingual differences do not equal different God and prophets. Arabic is related to Hebrew and Aramaic as a semitic language. Because we call Jesus Isa (peace be to him) and Elohim, Allah swt, this does not mean we mean different things. This is complete fabrication, you obviously have no knowledge of Islamic history. Also, Hazrat Ali was a Muslim sahabi, revered by the four madhabs and the Jafari madhab. Note, I nor any of the Muslims on this forum practice any form of this. This is just another poorly researched argument. The virgin mother of Prophet Jesus Hazrat Maryam had a brother who was named Haroon, but was obviously not the same Haroon from the time of Hazrat Musa (peace be to them all). From my entire argument, is this the only thing you wish to comment on? Jesus was descended from the tribe of Judah, son of Yaqub (Israel) however his religion was pure monotheism as practiced by our father Abraham (peace to them all). Islam in its simplest form means untainted monotheism, submission only to God and not to any man or any creature. It is in essence, the pure religion of Abraham without the basis of ethnicity by Judaism and without a trinity like Christianity. To Muslims, all the prophets from the first man Adam to Moses, Jesus and Muhammad (peace be to them) followed the religion of Abraham. The disciples and early christians were following Jesus' true teachings, and hence we not tainted by the trinity which emerged later. The trinity, in essence, is what separates Islam from Christianity. Surat As-Saff 61:14. O ye who believe! Be ye helpers of Allah. As said Jesus the son of Mary to the Disciples, "Who will be my helpers to (the work of) Allah." Said the disciples, "We are Allah.s helpers!" then a portion of the Children of Israel believed, and a portion disbelieved: But We gave power to those who believed, against their enemies, and they became the ones that prevailed. Surat Ali Imran 3:47. She said: "O my Lord! How shall I have a son when no man hath touched me?" He said: "Even so: Allah createth what He willeth: When He hath decreed a plan, He but saith to it, 'Be,' and it is! 48. "And Allah will teach him the Book and Wisdom, the Law and the Gospel, 49. "And (appoint him) an apostle to the Children of Israel, (with this message): "'I have come to you, with a Sign from your Lord, in that I make for you out of clay, as it were, the figure of a bird, and breathe into it, and it becomes a bird by Allah.s leave: And I heal those born blind, and the lepers, and I quicken the dead, by Allah.s leave; and I declare to you what ye eat, and what ye store in your houses. Surely therein is a Sign for you if ye did believe; 50. "'(I have come to you), to attest the Law which was before me. And to make lawful to you part of what was (Before) forbidden to you; I have come to you with a Sign from your Lord. So fear Allah, and obey me. 51. "'It is Allah Who is my Lord and your Lord; then worship Him. This is a Way that is straight.'" 52. When Jesus found Unbelief on their part He said: "Who will be My helpers to (the work of) Allah." Said the disciples: "We are Allah.s helpers: We believe in Allah, and do thou bear witness that we are Muslims [Submitters to God in Monotheism]. 53. "Our Lord! we believe in what Thou hast revealed, and we follow the Messenger. then write us down among those who bear witness." 54. And (the unbelievers) plotted and planned, and Allah too planned, and the best of planners is Allah. 55. Behold! Allah said: "O Jesus! I will take thee and raise thee to Myself and clear thee (of the falsehoods) of those who blaspheme; I will make those who follow thee superior to those who reject faith, to the Day of Resurrection: Then shall ye all return unto me, and I will judge between you of the matters wherein ye dispute. I, along with all Muslims, believe ourselves to be the rightful followers of Prophet Jesus (peace be to him). Allah swt is the God of Abraham, denying him is denying monotheism and the religion of Abraham (peace be to him). I am interested in this statement, please explain more.
