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That's why he attends church on Sundays. Oh, and why doesn't his wife dress hijab if they are Muslim? Why does Obama walk around on beaches showing off his knees if he is Muslim.

C'mon- give me a break. Stop pretending to be ignorant and arrogant, you are giving conservatives a bad name. Unless you WANT to give conservatives a bad name...

 

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I agree. He's obviously not a Muslim, though I doubt he's much of a Christian, either...

 

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It depends how you define Christian. I know that he and his wife have done more good for the world than most Christians. I also know that he attends church more frequently that most Christians. I do not know much about his personal theology.

I voted for Obama three years ago and I lived in the same Chicago neighborhood he does. Thus I am biased...

 

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Obama couldn't have a worse name (husain, osama). Saturday Night Live even did a bit about him saying he had changed his name from Hitler Jew Killer to what it is now.

Then, of course, there's the fact that he's almost as liberal as Kucinich! According to the presidential selection thread, he and I agree on only 16% of the issues.

 

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Frequent Church attendance does not make you a Christian, to judge a persons faith by his attendance in church is like saying that you can spot AIDs by looking at a persons dating patterns.

 

He is the only person, in my opinion, who can judge if he is or is not a Christian. We cannot judge it by party affiliation or certain moral convictions because these vary within Christianity.

Frequent church attendance is not a mandate of Christianity, and I attend church and I am not Christian.

Politicians in this country cannot be atheists or else they risk their political careers. Do you think that Rudy Gulianni or John McCain are more religious than him? I doubt it.

 

Beyond Romney's inclusion in that pseudo-cult of a religion, I could care less about any of the candidates personal beliefs. However, I'm curious how you conclude that "(Obama) and his wife have done more good for the world than most Christians."

In order to make claims for "most Christians" you need to be able to demonstrate some evidence that you understand what "most Christians" do, so far as "good" is concerned. Secondly, I'm curious what "good" Obama has done with his time in office. From my limited knowledge of the man I haven't seen him do much of anything "good" or "bad."

 

I was specifically referring to his work before entering politics- he worked with churches to get charity support. He worked on civil rights lawsuits. He taught law. His wife worked with AmeriCorps and currently oversees volunteer services and other such things and U of C Hospitals (I'm not sure what her official title is). Obama also helped create the framework for universal health care proposition in Illinois.

My observation of most Christians I know is that they preach but do not work towards social justice or other causes. Some do, however considering 75% of the country is Christian and we are a woefully uninvolved country when it comes to social service and social justice issues. I am an atheist and am more involved is social service activities than most Christians who I know.

 

I would also like to add that judging a person for being Mormon is silly and probably demonstrates that you have little experience with members of the LDS church.

 

Barack HUSSEIN Obama is a muslim. Do the research. It's all there*. He (seldom) attends his "Christian" Trinity Unity church which is a black-power/anti-white church. He is qualified for nothing.

*His father is muslim. He attended muslim schools. He hides everything muslim about his past because he thinks it will prevent him from winning.

 

He is just what the US needs.
I think you should get on your knees and thank Jesus for sending him.

 

Actually, how it works is *you* present *your* sources to validate *your* claims, which look like BS to me. The only thing you got right is that his father was Muslim, which I he writes in his book and has discussed on several occasions. The church he attends in Trinity United Church of Christ- it's on the south side of Chicago in a low income African American community. Much of the African American community is proud of their African heritage. It can be called being "Afrocentric". Why shouldn't they be? I know people who attend that church, they aren't "anti-white" (whatever the hell that means). I also know members of the Nation of Islam- it's funny that Obama wouldn't go to Mosque when they have such a strong presence in the community.

Gawd.

 

LOL, I'm not going to vote for Obama (assuming he is the Democrat candidate), but your post is absolutely absurd.

Obama is not a Muslim. He may have been when he was young (that's not an issue of debate, he admits it). But he is Christian now. I bet in your freaky little world, people cannot convert. Sandy, you claim to be a Christian right? I bet in your world where people cannot convert, St. Paul (who wrote most of the books of the New Testament after the Gospel) isn't a Christian either? I mean, he was Jewish and persecuted Christians, but he converted. OH NO HE DIDN'T. In your world, people cannot convert to Christianity!

Can YOU show me the research you did that proves that he's a Muslim? You state, "do the research". No, you do it for me, because I bet you cannot show definitive proof. You, like others, like to throw around accusations, but back it up with shady/lie-filled (often conservative) evidence.

Show me pictures of Obama attending a mosque. Show me pictures of Obama praying 5 times a day. Show me pictures of Obama making a pilgrammage to Mecca.

Yes, he was schooled in a madrassah in Indonesia when he was a young (from 8 years old to 10 years old). Did he have a choice? Were you able to choose which primary school you went to? Besides, that madrassah, if you're wondering, isn't an extremist madrassah. That school had boys and girls learning side by side. How many extremist schools have boys and girls learning side by side? NONE. CNN actually tracked down that school, so before you quote some obscure conservative source on the net about this, actually watch the broadcast where CNN finds the exact school.

BTW, before you point and fingers and start squealing like a little girl, "SEE! SEE! HE WENT TO A MADRASSAH". Madrassah, in Arabic, means school. Usually religious school. Not all of them are extremist. In fact, most aren't. A lot of them in Saudi Arabia and Pakistan are extremist.

Oh wait, in your freaky world, anyone who lives in a Muslim country is Muslim, right? So I guess all our brave men and women serving in Iraq are ALL Muslims, since they've been there for years. All our brave men and women are Muslims in Kuwait? All our brave men and women in Italy are Catholic. All our brave men and women in Japan are Zen Buddhist?

 

And to be clear- madrassah just means school. All schools in Indonesia would be called madrassah- secular to religious. The school, or madrassah, he went to is considered secular. Where, exactly, should he have gone to school while in Indonesia. He also went to high school in Hawaii- a private Christian school.

 

Seeing as I'll see all of your BS comments through other people quoting you...I might as well just deal with you directly.

Apparently, Obama spent five years in Indonesia, where he attended both Catholic School, and public school. But his father had little to do with his education, as he and Obama's mother were divorced by the time Barak was two years old.

People have been claiming that he spent four years attending a radical "Muslim Seminary", but that just isn't true. CNN sent reporter John Vause to investigate, and he found out that it was a public school, not a private, religious school. The teachers wore Western-style clothes, and the only person who wore traditional Muslim headdress was the Religion teacher. So...

And Obama has been attending that Church in Chicago since the 1980s.

So calm down, Sandy...someone with a different religious viewpoint than you won't be running for President.





http://http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/politics/chi-070325obama-islam-story,0,7180545.story?coll=chi-news-hed&?track=sto-relcon
http://http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/01/22/obama.madrassa/

 

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Why? Because God forgot to put a brain in half of teh americans?

 

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Obama can't verbally dis Islam. It would be political suicide.

http://www.debbieschlussel.com/archives/2006/12/barack_hussein.html

http://www.debbieschlussel.com/archives/2007/03/barack_hussein_1.html

 

In that one link, the whole point of contention is that Obama is a Muslim simply because Muslims see him that way? It doesn't matter what everyone else thinks, it only matter what Barak does. He has been a practicing Christian for as long as he has been able to make the choice on his own.

He didn't choose his schools, his mother did. And the only religious school he went to in Indonesia was a Catholic school, not a Muslim school. And regardless, even if he attended fucking terrorist training camps, he was a kid, and had no ability to make the decision for himself.

And of course he shouldn't verbally "dis" Islam. There's nothing wrong with being a Muslim. He does, however, want to make it clear that he isn't a Muslim, and even if his parents felt that the family was when he was a child, he made the decision on his own to become a Christian as an adult.

Hopefully, none of this will matter in the election. His middle name shouldn't matter. All that should matter is his merit as a candidate, not his childhood religious practices, or even his current religious practices.

 

If religion didn't matter Romney would be a shoe-in. He is being rejected by most of the Christian base. Too bad. He would be good.

And Barack Hussein Obama has no merit as a candidate. He is an empty suit.