Star Wars vs Star Trek

Discussion in 'SciFi & Fantasy' started by Pollux V, May 9, 2002.

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Which universe would win?

  1. Star Trek

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    35.5%
  2. Star Wars

    268 vote(s)
    41.9%
  3. Spaceballs

    47 vote(s)
    7.3%
  4. Farscape

    12 vote(s)
    1.9%
  5. Dune

    50 vote(s)
    7.8%
  6. Stargate

    36 vote(s)
    5.6%
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  1. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    Good point FFH- HyperSpace routes must be discovered, not simply made

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  3. FoolFromHell Photons be Free. Registered Senior Member

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    They need to map the Hyperspace routes to get the Death Star to Earth, etc.
    Will takes years. Enough time to mount an ST counter-attack.
     
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  5. esp Registered Senior Member

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    Assume a basic fatality rate of one 'Borg in ten.
    From one cube, that leaves ninety-odd thousand capable of assimilation.
    Assume from that an eighty percent efficacity...
    that assimilates at least seventy percent of the resisting force.


    ergo, minimum of sixty thousand (per 1000000) left to fight...



    YOU WILL BE ASSIMILATED
     
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  7. TW Scott Minister of Technology Registered Senior Member

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    You are basing you comment on what? besides the inventor and ONLY person who could make it work is dead and gone. Only two were built, both used and no more to come.

    Soran's Device: Problematic as noone can duplicate his technology and he is dead.

    Omega particles: Even the Borg could not handle them without catastrophe.

    Q: by their own rules they would not interfere as it is basically mortals versus mortals. Hell it is even Human versus Human. If Q did not help against the Dominion they will not help.

    Warp Speed Projectile: Useless, even if you did put a warp engine on an asteroid the fact that the Warp drive mysteriously eliminated Mass means that the energy result would be 0. Mass x Speed squared. Also warp drive is inertialess.


    hahahaha. Your understanding of hyperspace is pathetically niave. Yes there are major Hyperspace routes, but they are just well surveyed trade routes that are sop well mapped tha Hypersapce travel along them is easy. Hyperspace can go anywhere that there isn't a significant gravity shadow. It takes a lot of gravity to produce such a shadow. A replicating mine is not going to have enough mass.

    Oh and they do have replicator technology, they just use it for building and such. After all you want to keep trade flowing and economies prosperous. I mean SW had millions of planets and Trillions of sentients and a Strong robust economy.


    Actually I researched before I ever joined this convo and have backed my claims with numbers and canon. I mean really how is a ship supposed to defend itself against a weapon whose output is 60 times more than the ship's main reactor?
     
  8. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    Warp Drive only eliminates mass within the field- upon impact with the target, drop the warp field. The Projectile drops to normal space and WHAM you get bitchsmacked with a small planetoid at the speed of light. Good day.

    Wars does NOT have replicator tech- it is NEVER shown. NOT ONCE.

    And they had a robust economy, yet got omgwtfllama raped by a rebel alliance with few people and almost no source of income.

    You keep saying their weapons are strong- prove it. Don't speculate, prove it.
     
  9. FoolFromHell Photons be Free. Registered Senior Member

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    He was manipulated to do that.
    Kes was not.
    Q can turn humans into Qs too, like Riker.


    "If they deduced that their best chance of survival was surrender they would do so. They have no pride to get in their way."
    Tuvok knew he will die in the Delta quadrant but he obeyed orders.
    Vulcans are not as stupid as you think. They value freedom as much as Humans. They fought for every inch of space when the Dominion attacked.

    SW has no variation in Harmonics.
    The Breen weapon will destroy it no matter what.


    Actually, the force of venting air will send the troops flying into space. They will get into a free spin and will die a slow death. The empire consider them expendable and wont save them.

    A Disruptor blows a HOLE in the wookie.
    It cant survive without medical help.

    Because the Enterprise has defenses to not beam to the bridge.
    During the episode with the Bynars, Picard had to switch off the bridge transporter defenses. Plus, the Remans obviously had defenses against transporters. As for Data and Picard, the Reman higher authority is slow to react. The guards need to tell their leaders of Picard and Data.

    And Storm Troopers have a hit rate of less than 5%...

    From Wikipedia
    Population of Coruscant
    "1 trillion+ (according to literature)."
    You have no idea what you are talking about. How do you say how many inhabitants the Federation has?
    Plus, look how nice life is for the Average Federation citizen vs. Coruscant... Look at the obvious crime rate differences.
    The Federation doesnt need ground troops. They can bombard from the air and the Borg/ Klingon/ Dominion are better are ground warfare than the Empire and their inaccurate Storm Troopers.

    Rephrase as 400 crack, elite troops + vehicles + defensive position vs. 1500 primitives with spears and rocks vs. 50 inadequately armed rebels...
    Hardly a contest... The Empire should won if they were Federation troops... The arrogance of the Empire captain in teh bunker led to their downfall

    #1 he can easily harm... ST has weapons on par with or superior than SW as proven by much evidence.
    #2 SW can easily outrun SW. SW needs to map Hyperspace routes.
    #3 The analogy is more like 10,000 Knights (Empire) vs. 2 F-22 Raptors (ST) The Raptors embody the stealth, technology, and brute force.
    Numbers dont matter in this match.
     
  10. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    Scott, you are loosing ground with every post.

    Why not simply resign yourself with what little dignity you have left?
     
  11. FoolFromHell Photons be Free. Registered Senior Member

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    He has lost it all.
    He fights because he has nothing to lose.
     
  12. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    This is true... what a sad situation that must be.
     
  13. Challenger78 Valued Senior Member

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    Its true, Universe on Universe, ST has the diversity and skill as well as the technology and determination to outwit, outlast and outkill SW. The Jem hadar are more of a match for the Sith and the stormtroopers. Also , the borg can survive in space for a limited period of time far longer than your Space troopers,
    The Federation's hull is strong enough to withstand your mini torpedoes.
    Ground Tactics, what about this, On Betazed Federation both utilized the natural Talent of the Betazoids and used stealth and transport tactics to seize control from the Jem Hadar with MINIMAL casualties. Also, In the books,
    From emergency Rescue from an asteroid, Planetary peacekeeping , Or insurgent control , the federation has always handled it and ADAPTED. It too can sacrifice people for the greater good. The needs of the few outweigh the needs of the many on most occasions.
     
  14. Fettman #1 Bounty Hunter Registered Senior Member

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    What about the CIS sure they have crapy B1 battle droids but what about Cortosis B3-Battle droids? The cortosis they are made of can even withstand a lightsaber.
     
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  15. Lord Vasago bcd Registered Senior Member

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    For EMP Gungan's have shields to resist that. How long do you think it will take before all SW ships have the tech opparating

    Cloaked Bird of Pray vs Phantom-TIEfighter.

    For home defence : Unless you have some kind of shield round the planet like in buck Rogers, Groundtroops will break trough. Some AT-AT flanked by some TIE-crawlers protected bij gungans And mass droidika's on ground and Lambda assaultboats in air.
    We even throw in some Insects like in episode 3 (Sorry racename slip my mind at the moment).
    Once de powerplants fail. bye bye defense. So its up to handcombat.
    I admit with Klingons it will be a fears battle.

    In Space Almost every series forgets on thing. they all think space is flat.
    In space the battle can occur in every direction. Infact the largest ship could move in one direction but turn round his axes.

    If that where the case it would take an very special pilot to fly that ship.
    Humans cant, g-force and stuff.
    I know a few races in SW who can go from -10 to +10 without blinking an eye. Are there species in ST who could fly a ship like that?

    Look as I said before i just love SCI-FI. Startrek, Space above an beyond, Firefly, Star Wars, Buck Rogers, Battlestar Galactica. love um all
    I don't want to pull ST down; but St has one big problem.

    There are tomany sides in ST all working against each other, backstabbing treason. allthough you can get these species to cooperate it would last long.
    In SW there are 3 sides.
    1. For the Empire
    2. Against the Empire
    3. Neutral

    that is just 3 sides to join, i admit it would be easy too but in ST it would be damn impossible.

    ferengi would sell federation out to make a buck.
    Borg will assimilate anyone ST and SW. Some ally.
    I'm just wandereing about Q; they think that they are so superiour do you think they will help at the begining. or (more probably) wait en have fun looking at the fights going on and the lives wasted before the intervine (when it's to late for ST)

    As i presume both sides wouldn't take long to find a way to abtain eachtothers technologies at the end i will all depend on who has the best stategies. Both sides would take a beating but...................................
    SW will prevale ; He we still have that black dude you know Vader lol

    In fact i would like to see a ballte wetween some klingons and darth Maul.
    Some nice action however the outcome lol
     
  16. Lord Vasago bcd Registered Senior Member

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    Kittamary

    You seem to know a lot of ST tech

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    Like Voyager and stuff. I'm not interested in species just als ships from all sides.

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  17. FoolFromHell Photons be Free. Registered Senior Member

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    Gungan shields dont have EMP.
    None of their weaponry is mechanical or electrical.
    Its animal-based.

    Cloaked Bird of Pray vs Phantom-TIEfighter.[/QUOTE]
    How many Phantom TIE Fighters are there?
    Plus, BoPs are HUGE compared to TIE Fighters

    The Borg will excel at combat.
    With no shields on the AT-ATs, beaming a bomb or troops to capture it will be no problem

    The ISDs turn on their axis very slowly and move relatively slowly.
    Their weapons mostly point forward...
    The Enterprise is the largest Fed ship and could run circles around any ISD. Plus, ST acknowledged that fact. It just was easier on the ships to be pointing upward...

    If that where the case it would take an very special pilot to fly that ship.
    Humans cant, g-force and stuff.
    I know a few races in SW who can go from -10 to +10 without blinking an eye. Are there species in ST who could fly a ship like that?
    [/QUOTE]
    Inertial Dampeners? There are inertial dampeners in ST. Or else how can they fly the Enterprise at full impulse or Warp 9.975?
    The Borg arent bothered by G-forces anyway.

    We are assuming that ST will work together and your Empire will work together.
    The Klingons, Romulans, and the Federation will gladly work together.
    The Dominion needs no allies. They rule by themselves.
    The Borg can destroy the entire empire with less than 10 cubes. hundreds of thousands of cubes is overkill.
    We still assume they will work together.
    Vader cant do shit if beamed into space...
    Rule of aquisition # 34. War is good for business.
    They will prolong this war... the Ferengi will.

    In fact i would like to see a ballte wetween some klingons and darth Maul.
    Some nice action however the outcome lol[/QUOTE]
     
  18. Challenger78 Valued Senior Member

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    All the Klingons need to do is call in the borg, also , their disruptors would shoot the lightsaber, Goodbye lightsaber and the hand that held it.
    Or they could go hand to hand, in which case the klingons would win, they have redundant organs.
     
  19. Saquist Banned Banned

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    Ever notice how NutJob here has standard macros? When he comes up against a defeating argument he just says the same thing he said last time, almost as though If he says it enough times...it'll stick...(talk about spam)

    Genesis was a Federation Project. Plans for the Device existed. There were more than one scientist on the Project. The surviving Scientist was Dr. Carol Marcus. The Device can be rebuilt.



    Uncanon: This is typical NutScott. Theorize the worse for Trek and the best theories for Star Wars. George Lucas really knows how to handle your foreskin, Scotty.



    Uncanon: The Q have no Prime Directive, they did allow Enterprise to be interfered with on multiple occasions and the Borg incident is the best example. Again you're painfully wrong.

    This makes no sense and makes a abunch of assumptions about a collision we've never seen in Trek.




    No actually he's right.
    Hyperspace routes have to calculated. I'm not saying it would take years to find the right path...but with out a star map in a completely unknown galaxy yes...flying immediately too your destination would be a problem.
    However in Trek such a map of the Milky way should be really easy to come by



    Unproven. Never have I read such technology has ever existed. (energy to matter conversion)


    .

    Is that why you had to lie six times?
    More like specluation and favortism.
    You've not be able to show any reasonable evidence aside from you your own ponderless speculation. And that is the only consistency you've had on this thread.

    Lies and ignorance.
     
  20. Challenger78 Valued Senior Member

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    I reluctantly have to agree, the responses were pretty generic on terms of weapons and population as well.
    Its surprising how no mention of the other universes has occurred.
    the only other universe i've seen is Stargate and they might stand a chance with asgard beaming technology , symbiotes and wraiths which are like sith. But against ST with the borg... No Dice, even with the dominion.
     
  21. Sumoben Registered Member

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    Not totally true, Theres the Aurai vs the Q, Stargate has the Replicators vs Borg.. Though the rest of ST would demolish what is left.. The shields on the Odyssey or Prometheus are crap without the Zero Point Module, they would get demolished by 2 or 3 photon torpedoes. Though, ST might have to find a way to block Bullets, as their shields are mostly made to block energy discharges and small debris that is drifting in space, not bullets that travel fast and can pierce through navigational deflectors, also, I have not seen any Asgard weapon technology but it must be fairly decent, possibly on par with Star Trek..
     
  22. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    Star Wars shields have no harmonics frequency, which is why Ion cannons knock out their shields. A big EMP would do the same.

    AT-ATs would get toasted by atmospheric ships like the Intrepid or Norway classes- I doubt they could withstand a full-burst phaser strike to the neck joint.

    Star Trek has inertial dampners- G-Forces = no problem.

    Star Trek has already proven able to work together and, for the sake of this argument we are assuming all races working together on allied terms.
     
  23. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    Screw ZPM's- throw a Warp Core onto the Odyssey or Prometheus and up the shield output by 5005. Scrap the stupid railguns in favor of hyper-space cannons.
     
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