Pit Bulls Should Be Banned

Discussion in 'Free Thoughts' started by valich, Dec 10, 2006.

  1. Roman Banned Banned

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    Nice argument lol
     
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  3. one_raven God is a Chinese Whisper Valued Senior Member

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    Pugs are bred to be fighting and guard dogs too, should they be banned?

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    Uninformed, cowardly jackass.

    SUV's kill many more people than Pit Bulls every year.
    This means that you are more dangeropus than a Pit Bull, so your vehicle should be taken away and you should be punished for being so irresponsible, no?
     
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  5. phlogistician Banned Banned

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    That is something I'll never understand. Why people in the UK seek out Pit Bulls, which are illegal to breed. There are plenty of other dogs, similar in shape, but that are legal. American Bull Terrier, Staffordshire Terrier, but just why do people feel the need to get an illegal dog?

    It's macho bullshit wannabe gangsta status symbol crap, and don't try and defend the owners saying the dog is well behaved, because that doesn't matter a shit when the owner is a criminal.
     
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  7. cosmictraveler Be kind to yourself always. Valued Senior Member

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    I'd say get rid of humans for they are the ones that are responsible for most of the problems that their dogs cause. Without proper training any dog can become a nasty little creature that will do terrible things to people as well as other dogs.
     
  8. valich Registered Senior Member

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    I disagree. The problem is the dog, not the owner, because no single person can control a 24/7 live "killing machine."

    I'm only quoting your intro because of the incorrect analogy. A gun has to be fired by a trigger: Pit Bulls kill by instinct. No trigger involved.

    Further, why do people want or breed a dog that has a "punched in"-like snout? This is inhumane. To breed a dog without it's long snout deprives it of its beneficial olfactory capacity that it evolved with to survive and to become associated with humans as "Man's Best Friend."

    A "killing machine" - "living jaw" like a Pit Bull is far from being "Man's Best Friend," and because it is so far morphologically removed from all other Canidae (no longer has a snout), that I wouldn't even consider it a canid anymore. It's nothing more than a living "killing machine" and I'll be damn if I'm going to let some dumb dorf that moved in at the corner of my street have a killing machine on the loose when there are dozens of children playing around the area and walking their "friendly" dogs past his house everyday. This is a death-trap waiting to happen.
     
  9. SoLiDUS OMGWTFBBQ Registered Senior Member

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    I'll take a wild guess, here: you're a woman, right?
     
  10. SoLiDUS OMGWTFBBQ Registered Senior Member

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    We can't control people (who, admittedly, kill far more than your canine target of choice): are you advocating their removal as well? Are you saying pitbulls only eat, sleep, urinate, defecate, procreate and kill? That's funny, because every single one I've had the pleasure of interacting with has been a joy, unlike the majority of people I deal with on a daily basis. None one of them have ever killed in their entire lives.

    Seriously, are you a woman?
     
  11. valich Registered Senior Member

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    Yes, that's what I am saying. We can and do control people. We put them in prison if they are a danger to the community or to another person and many states execute them. When we deem a person to be a potential threat to society, they are imprisoned. After my own two personal bodily damaging and potentialy deadly attacks by Pit Bulls, and my research and readings about their kills of many innocent infants and other people and animals, I am of the belief that they should all be destroyed. You, on the other hand, are in the "typical" state of denial that I posted in my most recent post, where the owner can only say in his own ignorance of the matter: "It never happened before. Oh, It never happened before." Too late!
     
  12. SoLiDUS OMGWTFBBQ Registered Senior Member

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    Ah, I see now... this was never about objectivity. You have a personal vendetta against them and will disregard any facts opposing your agenda. Seriously, you're just like the soccer moms who want all firearms banned because their child was injured or killed by a crazed gunmen: nevermind the millions of successful self-defense cases, or the statistics clearly demonstrating the benefits of an armed populace, or even the common sense and logic justifying the preservation of that right... you ignore it all because of your blinded rage.

    That's all I needed to know; I'm done with this thread.
     
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  13. dexter ROOT Registered Senior Member

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    Um, one of my best friends has a pit that is about 3 years old, she is the gentlest dog I have met. though if you are a squarrel, she will probobly rip your face off and roll around on your corpse.
     
  14. mountainhare Banned Banned

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    valich:
    The very fact that there are thousands of well trained, passive, gentle pit bulls is evidence in itself that your above assertion is crap.

    I challenge you to support the above nonsense. Provide proof that pit bulls 'kill by instinct'. That may be a little difficult, given that multiple posters on this thread have pointed out time and time again that the Pit Bull has received a fantastic temperament rating. Pit Bulls crave to please their human masters, not maul them while their backs are turned.

    Quite simply, your assertions nothing more than unadulterated bullshit.

    Ahh, and now we're discussing a rather hazy concept. Is it inhumane to breed dogs which are more prone to deleterious disorders? For comparison, is it inhumane for older parents to have a child who may be more prone to deleterious disorders (Down Syndrome)?

    Throughout my childhood, my best friend was my family's pug 'Pixie'. Like Pit Bulls, they have flattened noses, and the associated health problems. Whether it is inhumane to allow this breed to exist is controversial, given that I'd argue that these dogs enjoy their life despite the health problems they are prone to.

    You continually parrot the above nonsense, despite personal testimony on this thread that pit bulls have been part of the family, gentle with children, and in general quite lovable.

    It no longer has a snout, hence it's no longer a dog? Fascinating! So other breeds without snouts, such as pugs, boxers, and bulldogs, no longer constitute as dogs, and hence aren't entitled to special protection by humans?

    What about dog breeds with morphological traits which differ significantly from your generic fantasy dog? No tails? Elongated bodies? Whippet thin?

    Enjoy living your life in paranoia. But just remember, a child is more likely to be molested by a human than mauled by a pit bull (or the entire dog species!). So perhaps you shouldn't have potential paedophilic raping machines on the loose when there are dozens of children playing around the area?

    But we don't demand the extermination of the human species merely because each individual of that species has the potential to kill.

    Great! So if a Pit Bull ever demonstrates itself to be a danger to the community, either lock it up, or put it down. Why do we need to ban the whole breed?

    Um, no. We don't lock up 'potential' threats to society, otherwise no human beings would be on the street. More accurately, we lock up those who have DEMONSTRATED themselves to be a threat to society.

    Ahh, so this is indeed a personal vendetta. Valich for Vendetta, out to wage a war of attrition against the pit bull breed.

    What would you have said if I came onto sciforums and asserted:

    "After my own two personal bodiliy damaging and potentially deadly attacks by black thugs, I'm in favour of exterminating the black race".

    Would that be fair? Would that be just? Would you be outraged at my comment?

    So the very existence of Pit Bulls is in itself a crime? Are you completely mad? By what right do you declare that a sentient species should not be allowed to exist, Fuhrer?
     
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  15. EmptyForceOfChi Banned Banned

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    the dogs are very nice to me, and they are sociable among our friends, it doesent matter that my friends (the owners) all have guns deal crack/weed/coke, shoot, stab people and generally are a menace to the general society as a whole,


    the dogs are still very nice

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    , nah they have pits because alot of them know the breeders and get them for dirt cheap, sometimes for free, also alot of my friends own tosa inus the japanese mastif, staffs, rottweilers, dobermans, mastifs of all other types,


    sometimes they are a symbol but its not my choice its thiers, guys usualy like mean looking solid built dogs, so what, i know alot of women who own silly little toy dogs that look like malnourished rats on leads, guys like big and strong women like small and cute,


    yeah its a symbol, just like people owning certain types of vehicle as a symbol, people wearing certain types of clothes as a symbol, people watching certain types of movies as a symbol, people eating certain types of food as a symbol, going into certain types of shops/stores as a symbol,



    i admit it your right, but i also like big strong powerful looking dogs, and i wont lie to try and seem a better person, i am going to get a mastif myself, because i like them simple as that, i am also going to get a golden mane chow chow because it looks like a bear/lion.



    men like big strong fighting looking dogs, women like little cute looking ratlike dogs that are in fashion, (i know women who love mean dogs aswell though actualy)




    peace.
     
  16. Tyler N. Registered Senior Member

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    Banning specific breeds of dogs is akin to racism. My friend has a pit bull, and he can attest that it is a wonderful and loving dog. However, according to you, wonderful and loving doesn't matter, what matters is what type of dog it is. My physics teacher is an absolutly spectacular guy who has inspired hundreds of future scientists and is involved in humanitarian causes and is one of the most intelligent and friendly guys ever. However, according to nazis, none of that matters, what matters is that he is a jew. If bigots have their way, it is off to death for both of them. Don't tell me this is a faulty comparison. It isn't. Just because one is a human and one is a dog, it doesn't make predujice any more right. Banning breeds is racism, and is wrong. Are we not evolved enough to look at stuff on a case by case basis?
     
  17. Varda The Bug Lady Valued Senior Member

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    banning pitt bulls doesnt do anything. what would really help is to ban all dog breeds from civil ownership
     
  18. SoLiDUS OMGWTFBBQ Registered Senior Member

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    Yeah, that'll change a lot, just like the banning of drugs, alcohol and firearms did. You know, because it really helped things, right? Get your heads out of your asses, people...
     
  19. Varda The Bug Lady Valued Senior Member

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    Actually, it will change things, because the dog bite issue has reached an epidemic level and it is directly associated with the number of dogs per capita. A civil prohibition would substantially lower this number and save the governments millions of dollars
     
  20. Jeremyhfht Registered Senior Member

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    Prince_James already owned this thread. I shall merely quote him, and hope the original thread creator reads it carefully this time (as well as those supporting the ban). Emphasis mine.

    I'll also add that it is always the owners fault for a dogs behavior. Punish the owner, not the dog. (links removed due to the system not letting me post them yet)
     
  21. Varda The Bug Lady Valued Senior Member

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    I just think that banning pitt bulls is stupid because it doesnt solve the main problem

    here is a quote by Kenneth Phillips, an attorney specialised in dog bite cases

     
  22. bricky Registered Member

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    I'm curious on how the statistics of putbulls would compare to other dogs such as Alsations, Dobermens and Corgies.
     
  23. one_raven God is a Chinese Whisper Valued Senior Member

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    And do we base that assessment on race, nationality and religion?
    Or do we base it on individual actions?

    That is most certainly not true.
    We imprison people based on their actions, not their potential.
    Otherwise every abused child would be imprisoned or "put down" based on the fact that they are more likely to commit a crime, therefore are more potentially dangerous.
    Seeme to me that's not the case.
    Have you experience otherwise outside despotic dictatorships or Nazi Germany?

    I seem to recall similar arguments regarding why black people are less than human, are rapists with no self control and should not be trusted with our white women.
    As was pointed out, not just by anecdotal account, but by results of scientific research, your experience does not speak for the temperament of all Bull Terriers.
    If you get mugged by a Mexican, are all Mexicans muggers?
    Think for a second.

    Yes, willful ignorance in the face of facts is a pretty disgusting thing, isn't it?
     

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