What is going to happin to Iran (they just declaired they are in a industrial scale nuclear program)? :shrug: What should happen? They say that it is for Nuclear Power only, But "In Tehran, some 200 students formed a human chain at Iran's Atomic Energy Organization while chanting "death to America" and "death to Britain." The students burnt flags of the U.S. and Britain." -Copyright 2007 WJLA-TV -Some content © The Associated Press The goverment also sent out text messages to all citizens congraduating them. ------------------------------------------------- I think we should do a covert-op mission and bomb the shit out of there centerfuges.
who cares if iran has nukes. by americas own logic, the only way to stop israel invading them is to have as many nukes as israel.
Perhaps Iran has every reason to be paranoid. US troops to the east (Afganistan), US troops to the west (Iraq + huge permanent military bases), US 'wargames' in the Persian Gulf.....on top of all the sabre rattling. And you wonder why Iran feels it needs nukes???
"In Tehran, some 200 students formed a human chain at Iran's Atomic Energy Organization while chanting "death to America" and "death to Britain." The students burnt flags of the U.S. and Britain." Funny that this sentiment was only expressed since the American invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan.
Don't worry about Iran. 95% of the stuff coming out of Iran is purely false rhetoric. Iran is overstating it's nuclear claims. It's had technical difficulties for years and they are a decade away from anything tangible for industrial nuclear production. Listen. It's taken Iran 2 years to build 3000 half-workable centrifuges. To be at full industrial-scale nuclear production, they need at least 54,000 centrifuges running 24 hours a day for a few months to have enough nuclear material to build even a workable nuclear device. Seeing as how the world is imposing sanctions on Iran, Iran doesn't have access to all the mechanisms and resources necessary for further centrifuge building: e.g. maraging steel. Even assuming that Iran can even maintain a VERY generous 3000 centrifuge per year production, it will still take them 16 years (at least) to build enough centrifuges for full industrial nuclear capability. In that time, the US, EU, and even the UN has methods to detect whether or not Iran is enriching uranium to levels higher than 10% (nuclear bomb uranium needs to be enriched at least to 90% for use). The problem is (especially in America) that you have a bunch of bozo fear-mongers who want to convince the uninformed people that Iran can go nuclear in less than 2 or 3 years. COMPLETELY BULL!! I completely blame ultra-conservative Americans and Israelis for promoting false information by OVERSTATING the capabilities of Iran and it's nuclear program and for falling victim to the empty bragging made by the Ahmadinejad. The fact is, Iran is at least two decades away, at their current inept pace, from building even ONE nuclear device. Before they even get there, they have so many hurdles to go over that I'm willing to bet they'll never achieve that goal: politically, economically, socially. Stop listening to neo-con propaganda about Iran's nuclear capabilities. Neo-cons will say ANYTHING and do ANYTHING to start wars.
All that Americans try to do anymore is scare each other into compliance. To hell with authority that operates that way.
Gerrr, I donno if thats correct terryoh. I mean I dont subt that they are liers, But it is better to over-estimate there capiabilities then under-esimate them.
Like we did in Iraq, only to find out there wasn't a nuclear program at all? That there wasn't a basis for Saddam trying to buy yellow-cake from Niger? Despite the fact the Bush Administration was HORRIBLY, EMBARASSINGLY, and FOOLISHLY wrong in Iraq, you're telling me it's still OK to overestimate and to be wrong? Did we NOT learn our lesson yet?!?! Look, if we have proof that Iran actually is trying to enrich uranium to levels over 90% and that they are trying to build a nuclear weapon, I'll be the first to say, "let's stop them, diplomatically or militarily". We claimed to have proof of this in Iraq, yet ALLLLL of it was wrong. 100% of it. The fact is, we don't have proof yet. I don't think America can afford to be wrong anymore. Besides, let's wait a year at least. Iran has it's presidential elections next year, and I'm willing to bet anything that Ahmadinejad will NOT win. We will see a conservative, but a lot more moderate president who will not spew out hateful rhetoric. Besides, can we afford another war? We still haven't pacified Afghanistan and Iraq yet. The world's most technologically advanced and well-trained military still has NOT pacified Afghanistan and Iraq.
Finally someone understands that Iran has become an Imperialistic, Peace-despising Pr!ck nation! The only reason that Iran wants nuclear weapons is that they only want to feed Jihad. Terryoh, I literally believe you on the part of "ultra-conservative Americans and Israelis promoting false information by OVERSTATING the capabilities of Iran and it's nuclear program and for falling victim to the empty bragging made by the Ahmadinejad." However, I don't understand; why would they want to tell us that Iran has nuclear capability? Imperialism isn't exactly a noun that means "to establish an Empire". It's a noun which means, "ADVOCACY OF ESTABLISHING an Empire". In other words, it means "Wanting to conquer other nations to become a larger military power". This obviously is what Islamofascist Iran is trying to do in its nuclear program. Fortunately for us, Iran doesn't have any capability of harnessing nuclear firepower for 2 decades.
From what I've been told, it's pretty easy for inspectors to detect the highly enriched weapons grade uranium. So long as Iran stays in the Non Proliferation Treaty and is subject to inspection, I doubt we'll invade. But if they pull out of the nonproliferation treaty and kick out the inspectors; the US, Isreal, or both will invade.
to me, the problem isnt that they operate that way..... the problem is that the average citizen has begun thinking of the government as "authority". of the people, by the people, and FOR the people.
LOL, actually you and I seem to be on opposite ends of this argument. I don't think Iran is an imperialistic, peace-despising prick nation. I think the current President (Ahmadinejad) is and some of the clerics are, but not Iran the nation. Iranian people are very liberal to tell you the truth. A small group are very conservative and hate America, true, but they are in the very small minority. Maybe a few of the clerics feel that way, but I think Iran foremost wants nuclear weapons as a deterrant against American and Israeli military overtures. If Iran obtains nuclear weapons, America and Israel will NOT do anything against them. If you want proof, look at what happened in Pakistan and India. Once they developed nuclear weapons, despite India being an ally of the USSR during the Cold War, America still unfurled the red carpet for India and they've been very tight. In fact, America has even sold India military and nuclear technology. That would've been unheard of 20 years ago. In addition, look at the preferential treatment Pakistan is getting. I think Iran feels that the US will finally leave it alone. Maybe they're right or maybe they're wrong. I can't say. Also, Iran wants to curb the power of Sunni Muslim influence, concentrated in Jordan and the Arabian peninsula. Iran, being a Shiite Muslim nation, wants to be the spiritual and economic center of Muslim power. It is for this reason that I want America to withdraw from Iraq ASAP, because we're currently in the middle of an unofficial war being fought between Iranian-backed Shiite gunmen .vs. Saudi Arabian-backed insurgent/terrorists. American freakin' soldiers are caught in the middle of THEIR war. Let them kill each other. I don't want to see America being hit on both sides by two different enemies. To scare the public into really thinking Iran has nuclear capability. If Iran's government falls, pretty much every Middle Eastern government will in some capacity being pro-American or at least America-neutral (minus Syria, but they're uber-weak). Although you and many others might not believe it, America does want to get rid of governments that don't like us (even if they are democratically-elected), especially when they have the natural resources that Iran does. The US invasion of Iraq and a possible invasion of Iran go WAAAY beyond "terrorism" and "democracy" (that conservative propagandists like to chirp) and it goes way beyond "oil" (that liberal peace-niks like to harp). In the end, it's about getting rid of people we don't like and installing people who we do like. That's basically what the War on Terror has become.
This is exactly why Britain needs to distance itself from the US....all this supposed "special relationship" (which I'm sure bush has never even heard of) is getting us is international hatred.
I have no way to know whether Iran'a nuclear program is for energy alone or includes a bomb. It is clear that US and western intellignce in the area is very often wrong. Also it is strange that only countires with oil, starting to sell it for currency other than dollars, seem to deserve to be invaded from the US's POV. Certainly it would be better to get the inspectors back in so we would have some relatively neutral evidence to base opinions on.
