According to the OP link, it says ; At first glance this doesn't strike me as being all that difficult to do,especially if I planned it to come out this way from the beginning (assuming that I'm the author of course). There are only 2 conditions ; 1) that the # of times(lets call it "N") in the book I use the proper name of the god must be a multiple of 19 (no remainder, such that N mod 19 = 0). Pronouns would be very useful here. Accomplishing this trick alone would be simple. To get to a multiple of 19, I need only to add verses with the godly name or substitute pronouns in other places.(a combination of both would probably be required). 2) That the sum of the "verse numbers" that contain the godly name be a multiple of 19. First question would be, how are verses numbers assigned ? If it is done like in the Bible, sometimes it's a sentence,sometimes a couple of them and verse numbers are reset to 1 for every new chapter or book. If the numbers of words /sentences that make up a verse is also variable, then this becomes a much easier trick to duplicate. This also becomes dependent on how books/chapers are differentiated. if they can be of variable length, this trick becomes much much easier. And here is an indicator. if the relative sizes of books and chapters shows a good bit of statistical variation, then this trick would not be so very difficult.(and if that is so for the Qu'ran, then it's an indication that this is what they did) If the definition of a verse is fixed, that is some hard and fast rule (a verse is exactly one sentance or x number of words, etc), it's more difficult, but not at all impossible. And again, if, I , the author, plan this from the initial writing, I don't see this as all that difficult to just improvise. This doesn't at all give me any indication of divine authorship. Quite the opposite, it shows that a human author planned and executed it. Why 19 ? Good question....But, if the author mentions this number in the text, it's even more an indicator of a human author. I would bet that I could pull this off in an english text and without much trouble at all . Provided ; 1. verse # are reset for each book/chapter. 2. a verse can be variable within limits.(I don't need this one, but it would make it simpler) 3. Books and chapters can be of variable length. 4. I can use pronouns like "it was God's plan that", "it was His plan that..." With these 4 conditions, no really difficult mathematics are even required. This could be fairly easily improvised.(I could do it in either of my 2 languages). If I'm the author, think this through.................. Consider I can add a verse anywhere I want (with or sans the gldly name). Consider that I can do this specifically to resequence all the subsequent verses in a chapter. Maybe I'll try it in the next post................just by simple improvisation.
I'll start with Bob River's parody of the Joan Osbornes "What if God was one of us". River's parody is "What if god smoked cannabis". And instead of 19 I'll use the prime number 7 instead of 19 (it should illustrate the principle). !9 would only be slightly more difficult and some Biblical and NT people think that 7 is some sort of magic value anyway ! The original Ther are 5 original occurences of the word "god" (I included possessive forms). I need 7, so I will subsitute the word "god" for a couple of the pronouns Rivers used. Done here ; Ok, I added 2 occurences(I put a "*" after the lines where I removed a pronoun and substituted god. So, all I've got to do now is to get the sum of the verse #'s that contain the word "God" to be a multiple of 7. And I get to assign the verse numbers ! Let's start with just adding them more or less logically....and work with them So, with this verse #ing we have "god" at 1,4,7,8,10,14,16. That totals up to 60. So, 60 mod 7 is 4. or (7 - 60 mod 7 = 3). So, it seems that all we need to do is to add an extra verse between 8 and 10. Since there aren't any hard and fast rules on verses ; So, Now I have 7 occurences of the word "God" ... And the total of the verse #'s that have the word "god" is 1,4,7,8,11,15,17 added together we have 1+4+7+8+11+15+17 = 63 and 63 / 7 = 9 ! So. We have 7 occurences of the word "God".. And the sum of the verse #'s with God is 63, and 63 = (7) * 9...................... It's a miracle ! Bob River's was divinely inspired ! (with a little help from an editor)
First they add, than they multiply subtract a little. hope they dont have to divide. But somewhere in that equation I think they use exponential powers of Pie.
The number 72 of virgins in Islamic tradition is the number of the rate of precession, 72 years per 1 degree of 360 degrees, and there were 360 pre-Islamic Arab gods, so the ancient Arabs apparently knew the cycle of the slow wobble of the Earth's axis, once in 25,920 years.
lol.. this is all conjecture... i am a muslim, and let me say, we do not believe in such a mathematical miracle...in math anyone can create anything... like one denomination of christians (one of those strange ones) believe that pope is the beast... and dr. kissinger was the beast due to some mathematical forumla they came up with and equating it to 666 quran is not a book of math or science, although many scientific things are written in it as is and there is no need for deep analysis on them (you can see most of them talked about in harunyahya.com one of the biggest scientific miracles is the talk of birth of human being of which harun yahya talks in detail http://www.harunyahya.com/creation.php and anyone can read his book there is no need for conjecture when miracles are already there in great numbers... so i as a muslim do not like people to put the book of quran through some math test because quran is not a book of math.. nor of science.. for example.. alcohol is forbidden for us.... and for centuries we have been saying alcohol is scientifically bad for you... but all scientist ought to know that science is only what is observable and in the case of alcohol in my opinion has political dimension as well.... now "science" (by that i mean an institution in edinborough...not sure how you spell that) has given verdict that a little bit of alcohol is actually good for you.......but alcohol is still forbidden for us just as it was 1400 years ago.....if tomorrow science claims a lot of alcohol is good for you... we would shrug our shoulders and say... its still forbidden for us....... if tomorrow the science rubbishes the previous claim and says that even a little alcohol is bad for you... we would be laughing and saying "we told you so" we muslims we do not go out of our way to make these claims in line with science... and nor did arabs know of this before islam.. the arabs before islam were barbarians and all historians know this. otherwise arabs would have accused mohammad of stealing and publishing their science,,, the simple fact is that at that time people didn't know the full meaning of some ayah regarding birth of a human being until now.... another example is a hadith (not the quran but saying of the prophet mohammad) that honey and black seed oil can cure all disease (or a lot of diseases)...or something like this......... no one knows the true meaning of this saying... and muslim researchers are always looking at how certain chemicals in black seed oil and honey can be used as medicine....... (a lot of the time they do use it in medicine) once we have fully utilised honey and black seed oil, we will say... "we told you so"...lol but to put book through a math test is as redicilous as coming up with some random numbers and then finding a strange pattern that fits them (because there are limited number of numbers this can always be done) as for 72 virgins...according to one alim (islamic scholar) 72 actually means many....... similar to number 7 as used in old text (also there are 7 grades heaven and hell according to our traditions)... so the point is,,, as a muslim i believe that quran is miraculous book... and one of the miracles is that it lacks contradiction and is unchanged for 1400 years .... out of curiosity you can check this for yourself..... but i don't like random math tests to be applied on any book.... i think even to christians's bible it must be slightly offensive.... i don't know but this is just my feeling....
OUT OUT I SAY!! This is fast becoming a religious topic in a PHYSICS forum. If I want to go and tell everyone what I cannot do in my religion i'll do it in the religious subsection of the forum not out here in an area meant for discussion of physics or math. The article is religiously Biased and as such cannot be considered an analyzation of math in the Koran or whatever you want to call it
this is pretty ridiculous. this is worthless unexplainable perspectively insignificant math, I've heard of different math in the Koran, ways of calculating the speed of light from verses in it.
