so? and? what are these people being trained for spidergoat? sam would have to believe that they are being trained EXPRESSLY to TORTURE AND KILL INNOCENT PEOPLE. sam would have you believe that is their sole purpose for training these people. sam would have you believe that these people are beimg forced to take this training. sam would have you bel;ieve that the US is responsible for the actions of others. so spidergoat what are these people being trained for?
So, if you provide training, possibly weapons and intel to a bank robber, and they go on to rob a bank, does that make you an accessory to the crime? I think so.
you are evading the question. the question was "what are these people being trained for?" second question "is the US government responsible for how this training is used?" furthermore: when the US found out that the info was being used for unintended purposes the SOA revised its curriculuum. also: to expand on your "bank robber" scenario, if i showed you how to commit suicide would you do it? would i be resposible if you did? don't forget there are a gazillion other places you could have found the info, plus, there are numerous ways to do it. so, i'll ask again "what are these people getting training for?"
To kill our percieved enemies such as communists. Are we responsible? I don't think we can absolve ourselves of the responsibility by pretending the groups we train will be lawful. They aren't boy scouts, that's for sure. Yes, if you showed me how to kill myself, or gave me the tools to do it, you would be liable for manslaughter.
and terrorists. you can't be serious spidergoat. our police and military are trained in the same techniques, do you see them slaughtering our citizens on our own soil? anywhere else? oh man, so if i sell you a knife or a car or a razor blade or ANYTHING you can use to kill yourself and you do it i'm culpable? really? the fact of the matter is CORRUPTION. corruption IS NOT the fault of the US government. sam would like for you to believe it is though.
About every terrorist group in the world uses the AK-47 as their primary weapon. Doesn't that make Russia responsible for the killings and death? And how 'bout the gun dealers who sell or give those weapons to the terrorists? Doesn't that make them, also, responsible for the killings and deaths? And how 'bout the distributors who ship the weapons to the terrorists? Deosn't that make them, also, responsible for the killings and death? See? Spider, I think we can spread the "responsibility" around some, so don't be saying that it's all the fault of America and Americans .....like Sam does so continually. That's a pretty silly thing to say, Spider ....even for you!! ...LOL! Baron Max
I was thinking of more high-tech things like NVG's or IR lasers to mark targets, but these things are just objects. Military training from us is partly why the Afghanis, Taliban, and Al Quida are so good at what they do. While I prefer such covert action to all out war, we need to recognize that these things come back to haunt us.
and the soviets, let's not forget them. they've trained their fair share too. so have others. so, to rag on the US, trying to blame it for all the problems is complete bilgewater.
So perhaps we should never help anyone do anything. Maybe we should become totally isolationist and self-sufficient unto ourselves, then we'd never have to worry about such things, huh? We donated billions to help the Africans vaccine against malaria ...and many people now claim that we injected them all with AIDS! So ...we never give any aid or help to anyone ever again as long as we live. People change, times changes, even the Earth is changing, yet you, Spider, expect us to all see what's in the future ...even if it looks good at the time, we should resist doing anything because those changes might be bad for us in the distant future. How would that be for the world? Baron Max
Yes, it is. But what I said was that the Iraqis could have taken the opportunity of the American invasion to finally work together for a change. They didn't. They still aren't. All indications are that they're not going to. The Americans haven't yet been in that situation, so I have no idea why you're using the US civil war as an example... other than the fact that you'll try it every chance you get, whether or not it has anything to do with what was said at the time. I have a feeling that if the US were to be suddenly invaded by a coalition of Muslim forces tomorrow, they wouldn't use that as an excuse for catholics and protestants to start shooting each other. What you said, Sam, was clearly an accusation of racism on my part. Are you now going to tell us all you were... "misquoted"? You didn't mean it? Oh for... look. Read. I never said it was. I said that the patterns were based more on cultural differences, not race. I said there were differences in thinking patterns between east and west. I said nothing about race, other than to note that there was no evidence race had anything to do with it. Is that clear now, or do I need to carve it on your forehead in large block letters so that you can read it again every time you're in front of a mirror brushing you hair? That study, if borne out, could be of some importance in understanding why west and east are so often conflicted, and why they see things from different perspectives. So do you read it, ask about it, try to find out the details? No. You use your time dredging the internet for even more anti-US internet articles. Yet you expect me to believe you have a brain, that you're capable of being anything other than this politely hissing blinkered cat? I'm afraid not. Enough of this.
Typical Western mindset. Putting the various peoples of the East into a neat pigeonhole. FYI, the "people of the East" are not one people. Most of them have little in common re: history, culture, religion and social values, let alone thought. And your continued tirade on racism is unnecessary. I was merely commenting on the typical Western attitude of lumping all non-Western people as the other. Not everyone has grown up in a black and white society. As for the civil war, it is my observation that every country under a dictator/colonialism that attempted to gain freedom had some form of outbreak or civil shuffle. As I pointed out, so did the Americans, who began by decimating the local population of the place they settled in and still had a civil war of ideology.
Careful Sam. Your prejudices are showing. No kidding. But despite those differences, they generally have more in common with each other than with the West - such as a certain perception of events. Look, Sam, if you don't want to read anything which may upset your precious preconceptions, then by all means - say so and I'll drop the subject. Most people are just like you, unable to face any challenge to their own ideals. Anything contrary to those ideals is therefore dismissed and ignored, without investigation. Don't feel so bad - you're not alone, it's quite common. What a terrible attempt. Apology not accepted. Virtually no one has. Apparently you know little of ours, and yet expect everyone else to understand yours. And there it is again. It has now become a case of "typical Westerners". Perhaps the facade has begun to crack? Is the real Sam beginning to show? Little bit of intolerant anger hidden away under there, Sam? Hmm? Come on now, don't be shy. You stated it in response to me saying the Iraqis should use outside aggression as a chance to resolve their differences. You were responding to me. It fails because the two situations are different. I'm not going to go through it all again. Nearly every social group currently existing on the face of the earth has decimated a social group at some point in their history, Sam, not just the Americans. Or maybe segregated them into castes, or something. Whatever keeps them down, you know?
Yes Mr Pot. No they don't. I for example have nothing in common with people from the Middle East, I have more in common with people from Korea, for example. Very similar society and values wouldn't you know it? I doubt the Buddhists have much in common with the Turks and the Chinese would probably not feel at home in Sri Lanka. But hey, what do I know? Yeah right. I'm glad you're so open-minded.Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! So you think the fact that the majority Shias who have been suppressed in their own country for a thousand years by the minority Sunnis, should work with the US, who from their previous experiences with the Iran Iraq war and the Shah's reign in Iran, are such wonderful problem solvers? And the Sunni's who enjoyed the favor of the US until they decided Saddam was a bad bad boy should sit back while the US now supports the Shia government (also supported by Iran, which iss a US rival) when they themselves enjoy the current support of the Sauds (kissing cousins of Bush). Its all crystal clear now. You have truly enlightened me. But not every social group deliberately engages in starving and destroying whole countries to fill their gas tanks.
Hmm, those shitty little nations must be pretty fuckin' weak if they let a few nasty people do that to their country, wouldn't you say? Yeah, I think your comment actually says more about the shitty little countries than it does about the social group who would do such a thing. You give those shitty little, weak fuckin' nations pretty poor marks, huh, Sam? Just curious, but why does your shitty little nation of India have so many starving people? Are you going to blame it all on the British? And if so, what does it say about your precious little India that a few Brits could fuck it up so badly? And worse, what does it say that the Indians would allow it to happen? "Revenge is mine, sayeth the Muslims of the world." Still seeking revenge for the acts of others, Sam??? Hmm? Baron Max
