The perils of precision-guided advanced weaponry

http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/200303/31/eng20030331_114295.shtml

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/headline/world/4529397.html

So how difficult is it to tell from the cockpit?

 

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at least he didnt say:

"Shit, dude...You missed. Let's go watch some fuckin' Tee Vee!!"

 

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"shit, dude... ain't the Brits on our side?

 

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Very difficult. Perhaps even extremely difficult.

Baron Max

 

I don't think it is that hard with all there tech and training in target recognition. Then you have to ask yourself how often do you seen a rebel armor column and how often do they use british scorpion tanks.

Now errors do happen and can be accepted, but errors cause by someone to lazy to make a proper id is not.

 

No harm done. The weapons industry needs to make a living too. The guided ammo can be replaced and the British scorpion tanks too!

As for the occupying forces they should know they shouldn't be in Iraq. Things like this never happen that often in the UK.

end sarcasm.

 

14 days ago here in little ol' DK someone unfortunate fool manage to shoot to of his buddies under a live fire exercise... with a hand gun, maybe he forgot to breath and could see clearly

 

Did the armored vehicles have "recognition" equipment installed? Was it operating properly at the time?

From the air, with radar, a large truck might look very much like scorpion armored vehicle. And without the proper "recognition" equipment...?

And do you know that the pilot was being lazy and not interrogating the recognition equipment? All I know about what happened in what was posted, and that didn't give jack-shit for info ...only the sensationalist bullshit that Sam always uses to rile people up into heated arguments.

Baron Max

 

From your questions it is fairly obvious you are talking out of your ass again.

why do you post crap like "Very difficult. Perhaps even extremely difficult." when you haven't even bothered to do even the slightest google search?

 

Baron is probably the least objective person on this board. Just ignore him....that's what everyone else does.

 

How do pilots normally identify friendly vs unfriendly troops?

 

I thought you were supposed to pretty much "know" what you shooting "before" shooting it. Also, the person said there were children all around Surely the pilot could see the many civilians? And if not then don't shoot.....

 

Correct.

The pilot does have to confirm with ground support that there are indeed no friendly forces within the target area. The mistake here was on the part of the information conveyed, not on the pilot.

 

I guess we should just go back to carpet bombing cities.

 

Easy, actually. A10's are subsonic aircraft, and used in close quarters. The pilots clearly saw the orange identification panels, and should have been able to recognise the silhouette of the vehicle as being coalition.

These were Air National Guard pilots, not regular Air Force, who had never seen action before, this was there first combat deployment. The issue therefore, was their lack of experience, and they fucked up. For one, how many instances of insurgents in armoured vehicles have been reported?

I don't know of any, they use guerilla tactics, destroying our armoured vehicles, not driving around in their own. These guys forgot what war they were fighting.

 

They were flying at 12,000 feet. That's almost 2.5 miles ...and you say it's easy to recognize things from that distance?

The tapes show/tell clearly that the ground controller said that there was no friendly forces in the area. So ....who fucked up?

12,000 feet, remember? 2.5 miles? Just take a look outside and see what you can recognize at 2.5 miles. See if you could tell the difference in type of vehicle.

The tapes show/tell clearly that the ground controller said that there was no friendly forces in the area. So ....who fucked up?

Baron Max

 

if you can't recognize it you shouldn't shoot it.

 

That's why they have GROUND CONTROLLERS ....people on the ground in radio contact with the air-support aircraft.

If you put the aircraft low enough to actually see clearing what to shot, then you've put that multi-million dollar weapon in danger unnecessarily.

Baron Max

 

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Apparently they had there ornage flags showing which was meant to show they were british armour, i think the guys inb the A10's thought they were rockets... Or so the line goes...

Oh and by the way..........I hope you are well

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you're trying to get military info sam?