Now you all probably think this threads to ask if it was the US or England who won the war, its NOT i was watching a TV program that said before the US joined the war they were selling miltary hardwear to the nazies if true then the US shouldn't really be concided a hero of the war should they?
And I suppose they had piles of evidence for this... you know, like the Nazis using American weapons and such like things.... If they did, it was pretty damn hard to spot. FFS, countries like Belgium and Russia have been selling military hardware all over the world for decades... but do we see even ONE post denigrating them for that? of course not.... its not trendy to hate the Belgians...
No, Asguard, back then, before the dark times, before the republicans (Obi Wan line), we had FDR as our president, and we saved the world as you know it. That established us as top dog. Remember: democratic presidents are your FRIENDS. Republican ones are your ENEMIES, not only yours, but EVERYONE's ENEMIES. Only recently has america really turned dark and despot-like, soon the senate may vote bush 'emergency powers.'
what about when everyone thought the Nazies were a good way to get rid of the commy basteds? thats when this program was talking about i THINK
Geez Pollux... you guys merely sped things up is all. The only thing that would have happened had the USA not joined the European war is that western europe probably would have been in the iron curtain. The brits had already got Rommel on the run in africa, but would have taken a while longer to finish that up if you guys hadnt landed in his ass at a late stage. They (the brits) may not have had the strength to land in europe, but the russians sure as hell did after moscow and stalingrad. Stop reading your own propaganda, and leave the bloody hollywood movies alone... theyre confusing you.
When you discuss WW2 and US involvement in "saving the world", there are things to consider. The USA saved the western effort, at first by providing materials and supplies for Britain, then buy adding their militar to the effort. HOWEVER, two-thirds of Germany's military power was used up against the Russians. What would have happened if: 1) Hitler had kept his truce with Russia; or 2) Hitler had kept his nose out of it and let his generals run the Russian campaign? Was it really Russia who saved the world? Was it a combined effort? I think so.
Squidy poo-poo you forget that the nazis attempted to invade russia and got to the gates of stalingrad I think before the cold f*cked them up. If they had waited until summer the russians would be toast, Europe would be under total nazi control and asia would be under japan. Then Hitler would've undoubtedly set his sights on either the US or the diamond mines in South America (Bolivia).
From my recollections, the Germans made most of their weapons for themselves. Sources being: The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich The Arms of Krupp.
The main thing the US accomplished is that they prevented russia form getting all of W Europe. The key battles stalingrad and kursk were fought before D-day, the germans were on the run while the amercans were still sitting on their asses in england. Russia had more people and raw materials than the gemans had. But their biggest advange was the fact the the germans had Hitler quite possible the worst military stratagist in history. Irrelevent. If hitler had planned his invasion of russia well your right but the fact is that he didn't. But then he would have beaten russia in 6 months to a year so he would have had his full army against the US with the near limitless raw materials from russia. The war was a team effort. I'm not sure wheather the allies could have won without every member. British intel and North Africa, US boming the shit out of german industries opening the western frontand supplies, and russia thougoughly kicking ass. I agree that the americans played a major and mabey critical role but I still think that the russains played a bigger one. (however if russia had won without american help that would have put western europe in stalins hadns so hooray for us!)
i heard or read somewhere that hitler opened the front with russia on a cocaine trip. dunno if its true but there ya go. Also did he not have altzheimers or something like that?
There was very limited trade with the Nazis. By war's beginning America was definately not trading with the Nazis. Hitler once remarked to General Motors after ordering 10,000 tanks, "forget shipping them to Germany, I'll pick them up on the way through Detroit." The United States singlehandledly saved the civilized world in the Second World War and in other conflicts. The Nazis would have hit the "Reset" button on the past 5000 years of civilization.
Have you not read the rest of the thread? The US 'singlehandedly' saved the world? I think 6 million Russian dead suggests they had help. And if Germany had won the Battle of Britain in 1940 Engalnd would have been taken in Operation Sea Lion - which means the US would have had nowhere to put their troops. I think Neutrino_Albatross is right - it was a combined effort. Take away one of Russia, Britain and the US and things might have been different. I think the West has always underestimated the Soviet Union's contribution to victory. WIthout them tying down the bulk of Germany's army D-Day would have been a failure.
Neutrino pretty much covered this for me. We were talking about what may have happened if America hadn't entered the War, not what would have happened if the Germans hadnt got a bit chilly on the Russian front. Besides, there is not an awful lot of evidence that the russians would have just "folded"... they were getting beaten, yes, but the Tank factories in the Urals were untouched and producing tanks the whole time, which when sent to the front eventually, in large numbers, sent the germans packing. Suggestions have been made that the russians deliberately held back the main part of their armoured strength in order to hit the front in a solid mass rather than trying to save a few kilometres piecemeal... and it worked. The "scorched Earth" policy ensured the Germans would have extremely long and vulnerable supply lines when it happened too. With a few exceptions, Americans appear to have very limited knowledge regarding anything other than fronts the US were involved with. It all comes down to hollywood I tells ya... Damn that bloody Private friggin Ryan anyways. No wonder half the US population are convinced they won the war all by themselves... it was in the movies. There were just as many British and Canadian troops involved in the actual landings themselves, on 3 separate beachheads (not just two, like the yanks), and the British 6th airborne also 'chuted in to take the Orne river... although to talk to half of America the only parachute drops were made by the US 802nd and 101st airborne.
Germany lost around 9 million soldiers, and Russia lost about 51 million people. Far more than 6 million.
Wrong, the USSR lost about 20 million people in the war. The war took up the lives of about 50 million total. I never said that we were the only country fighting. If the US had not saved Britians ass from U-boat the island would have been either invaded, starved to death, or forced into a peace with the Nazis. If Britian fell, the Russians would have given up. Until the invasion of North Africa and later Italy the Germans were whipping the Russians' asses. If the Nazis hadn't been booted out of N. Africa they would have linked up in the Caucasus gotten a bunch of oil and their war machine would have continued. The Italian invasion took pressure off the USSR by diverting Nazi troops from the Eastern European front, down into Italy to cover their southern boarder.
Correct, thecurly1, I thought it was higher. Here are some estimates. http://users.cybercity.dk/~dko12530/ww2.htm http://www.hitler.org/ww2-deaths.html
Looking again at census information from the 1930s now. Germany, which for a long time has had one of the highest populations in that area, had around 500,000 to 600,000 Jewish people in the mid-1930s. Anyone got info on how many were in neighbouring nations? I'm just trying to figure out where the oft-quoted 6,000,000 figure comes from, since it can't be from Germany.
Well, thats a pile of hogwash Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! If Britain fell, the Russians would have "given up"? I think you may be underestimating the russkies just a wee bit there matey. I've already said the situation in Russia was NOT entirely what it appeared to be. As if they would have just rolled over like puppies if Britain fell... laughable. Geez, even the forggies showed more spirit than that Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
