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Discussion in 'World Events' started by hypewaders, Dec 7, 2006.

  1. GeoffP Caput gerat lupinum Valued Senior Member

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    Simple: ban it, and anything associated with it. Deport its supporters. Done.
     
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  3. GeoffP Caput gerat lupinum Valued Senior Member

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    Ah, there is much you need to know. I understand.

    You see, it doesn't really matter what Hamas or Fatah or any party in Palestine says, because the decision to enact "peace" rests in the hands of any particular terrorist and his followers. Hamas says "peace, peace", but a faction says "war, war" or Islamic Jihad starts shooting. Or they authorize firing, but from somewhere else: Gaza or the like. Or Hezbollah starts up again. There are too many players for it to work, simply put.

    I might also point out that the report itself seems quite skeptical - from the above section - about the acceptance of accords by some Palestinians. It implies that they'll only be able to get som on side. Now, that's their interpretation, not mine, so you might want to direct your complaints to the Commission instead of me.
     
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  5. GeoffP Caput gerat lupinum Valued Senior Member

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    I forgot to add: so you do not disagree with my contention that it is the history of islamic relations with the world - and not the misguided politics of the US - which has dictates the plight of non-muslims in islamic countries? Because, you see, it is utter foolishness to disagree.
     
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  7. Crunchy Cat F-in' *meow* baby!!! Valued Senior Member

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    You don't know that.

    More importantly, it's a place where muslim nutjobs are attracted too.
     
  8. SpyMoose Secret double agent deer Registered Senior Member

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    What is this sophistry? You don't know that there are any there now!
     
  9. Crunchy Cat F-in' *meow* baby!!! Valued Senior Member

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    There has been evidence of money coming into Iraq to fund extremist activity.
     
  10. SpyMoose Secret double agent deer Registered Senior Member

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    And has there been evinced of terrorist activity stemming from Iraq before our invasion? How many Iraqis were involved in Sept 11? How many were involved in the first WTC bombing in 93, how many were involved in the Madrid train bombings? How many were involved in the London bombings, how many bombed the USS Cole, how many blew up the marine barracks in Beirut? The answer is zero. The Iraqi people were not receptive to militant Islam, and did not engage in terrorism before we drove them to it.
     
  11. Crunchy Cat F-in' *meow* baby!!! Valued Senior Member

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    Hold on there SpyMoose, I never said that Iraq wasn't a "friend" and supporter of the U.S. prior to invasion. I think it was Leo Volont (of all people) whom correctly pointed out that we had a friend whom was wearing business suits just like us and now there are people with turbins trying to run the show. At the same time Iraq wasn't exactly humanitarian prior to our invading it. Does Chemical Ali ring a bell?

    Regardless, invading Iraq in the first place was a mistake IMO (taking into consideration the reasons we did so -officially and unofficially-). What invasion did was accelerate the results of a broken / missing feedback mechanism in the Islamic Meme and effectively put us at war against that meme.
     
  12. hypewaders Save Changes Registered Senior Member

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    The War on the Bad Islamic Meme. Kill BIM. You're either with BIM, or against BIM.

    Let's pretend we all want to fight and die over that. OK. I'm there. Now:

    What the fuck is it?

    (the meme, Aye me-meme, aye) all I can here, and I still don't get it.

    Please expound on the Bad Islamic Meme.
     
  13. Crunchy Cat F-in' *meow* baby!!! Valued Senior Member

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  15. hypewaders Save Changes Registered Senior Member

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    The Bad Islamic Meme, so far as I can see evidence for it, is pathetic; can be left to collapse without stimulus.
     
  16. hypewaders Save Changes Registered Senior Member

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    Or must we vanquish the Evil Islamic Meme? That would be scary, huh. Do tell.

    Did you fear Fidel after the Soviet Union imploded? Please explain, and I really do value the opinions of neocons and busheviks past, present, and... well, we can't say much about the future right now.

    Except that the easiest way out of Iraq at this time is sure to involve the attentive exploration of whatever ideology, whatever buzzword, notion, rumor or meme that suggests the maxim that any penetration requires resolute, indeterminate, infallibe and incessant copulation; especially when the act becomes embarrassingly public; even as the act becomes self-exciting, and self-inflicting.

    Surely there's more reason than that. But if you must do that, don't try it anybody's country. I swear by Allah, they'll all hate you for it until you stop.

    Crying "Don't!"
    and "Stop!"

    Speaking about tomorrow: Who's even listening (forget about understanding)?

    This is an American fuckup. That means it's incredibly big, and we have to be evasive talking about it, because.

    Why? Please explain.
     
  17. Crunchy Cat F-in' *meow* baby!!! Valued Senior Member

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    Having a war on a Meme doesn't mean that the Meme has to be obliterated. In most wars, the opposing side isn't exterminated. Instead the opposition surrenders and changes.

    The Islamic meme needs to include an outlet for constructive feedback as at present it only allows for destructive feedback. That's the problem. The current Islamic Meme has no mechanism to adapt to reality.
     
  18. hypewaders Save Changes Registered Senior Member

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    Out, damn meme.
     
  19. hypewaders Save Changes Registered Senior Member

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    Evil Meme, in the name of All That's Sacred I command you to come out of Crunchy Cat, or manifest through anything emanating from Crunchy Cat.
     
  20. hypewaders Save Changes Registered Senior Member

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    That didn't work. OK, listen meme, if you'll come out in the open, I'll provide constructive feedback in billions of warm-fuzzy-bucketfulls.

    Avoid killing Israelis or Americans. We represent the future of democracy.

    Hmmm. Maybe you could help me with constructive criticism on that.
     
  21. Crunchy Cat F-in' *meow* baby!!! Valued Senior Member

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    hypewaders, are you a theist?
     
  22. hypewaders Save Changes Registered Senior Member

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    Hell? No.
     
  23. Crunchy Cat F-in' *meow* baby!!! Valued Senior Member

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    Were you raised in a theist environment?
     

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