The world is an illusion

Discussion in 'General Philosophy' started by c7ityi_, Nov 22, 2006.

  1. c7ityi_ Registered Senior Member

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    non-existence can't exist and be non-existent at the same time.

    if nothing wasn't eternal it would just be "temporal nothing".

    education is only useful for a few of years, to learn the basics of writing and calculating. after that they start teaching stupid things in school because they can't come up with anything to teach.

    (you probably mean solipsists)

    you (consciousness) can't die, only your bodies can die. if one of your bodies dies it changes nothing in your eternal being.

    "I am" (YHWH) is nothing (infinity, everything), so it can't die.
     
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  3. Kendall ......................... ..... Registered Senior Member

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    (Aristotle)-"Time only apply's to matter. Time is a consequence of the wave motions of space, it takes (time) for wave motions to flow from place to place in space, indeed time is either identicle to movement or is some affection of it." That helped me understand what time is better.
     
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  5. Crunchy Cat F-in' *meow* baby!!! Valued Senior Member

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    Right you are... and because there is something rather than an absence of anything then it suggests that there has always been something.

    How about it would just be 'nothing'. No time, no mass, no energy, no structure, no information... etc... just nothing.

    It sounds like your school system as failed you (or vice versa). Education is one of the most important things you can have in life and I would suggest moving to a better system (and they do exist).
     
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  7. c7ityi_ Registered Senior Member

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    Like dreams, the world is created in the present moment by your thoughts.

    There is nothing I need to learn, except how to forget everything I have learned, so that I can say like socrates: all I know is that I know nothing.
     
  8. Crunchy Cat F-in' *meow* baby!!! Valued Senior Member

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    Then please create me a dodge viper (as supportive evidence of your claim).

    Unless you can provide evidence of your claim above you have alot to learn about how reality works.
     
  9. c7ityi_ Registered Senior Member

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    I can't create anything (unless you believe I can), because you are the only consciousness (creator) in your universe. 'Me' and my words are just your dream, subconscious, thoughts, which you are subconsciously creating.

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    Anyway, to get a dodge viper, you have to believe that you can get it. And believe you deserve it.

    Then close your eyes every day for several minutes, and imagine already having it. Drive around with it and enjoy. You could even go test drive it for real. Do everything to generate the feelings of "already having it".

    Then if you hold on to that intention long enough, the universe has no choice but to give it to you, because it can't make any difference between thoughts/feelings/beliefs/imagination and 'reality' (fully manifested concentrated thoughts).
     
  10. SycknesS Registered Senior Member

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    So you're saying that you can will yourself to have had something? (but not actually have it) Although if you convince yourself of this, yourself believing this will be the extent of it. Others will not behave as if you had/have this 'willed' thing you speak of.
     
  11. orcot Valued Senior Member

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    I believe that humans are to self centred and to naive to imagen the rest of the world.
    I also belief that not evrything that you hope or dream will come true and those dreams that do come true will only give you a different understanding of wat you originally wanted.
     
  12. c7ityi_ Registered Senior Member

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    If that's what you believe, that's the kind of world you will create (if thoughts create reality)
     
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  13. orcot Valued Senior Member

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    What's the name again of the book where Sartre say's:" l'enfer, c'est les autres".
    It gives a nice image on how the person that you are, gets destorted into the eyes of a other.
     
  14. Raithere plagued by infinities Valued Senior Member

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    The world is an illusion

    Whenever someone says this I get the irresistible desire to sneak up behind them and smack them in the back of the head with a hammer.

    ~Raithere
     
  15. glaucon tending tangentially Registered Senior Member

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    I believe you're thinking of "Nausea".



    I concur.
     
  16. c7ityi_ Registered Senior Member

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    raithere... you're so mean...
    and glaucon too..
     
  17. Baron Max Registered Senior Member

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    But that would prove nothing ....only that you might have dreamed that you sneaked up and whacked 'em with a hammer ...and it would be your dream that it caused them pain.

    To me, proving that the world is not an illusion is virtually impossible. We can/could dream everything and anything ...including that proof!

    I don't know if life is an illusion or not, but if it is, it still changes nothing.

    Baron Max
     
  18. glaucon tending tangentially Registered Senior Member

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    True.


    Not really. Ultimately it's just a matter of logic and probability. The sheer number of 'coincidences' we each experience is enough to render the hard-core solipsist (a la Berkeley) argument exceedingly weak.
     
  19. Baron Max Registered Senior Member

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    Logic AND probability prove nothing. If you can get rid of "probability", then perhaps you have something.

    You can't dream up a "sheer number of coincidences"? Why not? What limits do you think your ability to dream has? 50 coincidences? 100? 1,000?

    Baron Max
     
  20. c7ityi_ Registered Senior Member

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    in dreams, things change a lot more than in real life. for example, you can't start reading a book in a sleep-dream, it will make no sense, because the words change as fast as your thoughts change. the real world is more persistent, things takes time to change, you can't imagine something and have it manifest immidiately.
     
  21. glaucon tending tangentially Registered Senior Member

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    Nope.
    Logic alone is powerless to prove anything beyond its own axioms (which are always granted a priori status). Formally, logic only has any predictive power when it is coupled with probabilistic premisses.



    You're correct; I cannot say there's a limit to 'dreamt coincidences'. The reason for this is our poor understanding of dreaming, not of probability....
     
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  22. Crunchy Cat F-in' *meow* baby!!! Valued Senior Member

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    Welp, I tried it and... sorry to say no viper.
     
  23. euphrosene Delusions of Divinity? Registered Senior Member

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    That may not be completely true. The desire exists on the dimension of the 'insubstantial' ie mind/thoughts/dreams. However, to 'manifest' it, as we exist in this collective illusion (unless you are schizophrenic or David Icke), we would need to follow current physical rules.

    In my own experience, what usually happens is some form of action which ultimately leads to the manifested desire. Even if that is only, in this case, that of chauffeur to someone who actually owns the car if your funds, for example, are insufficient.
     

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