Gated or Ghettoed?

Discussion in 'Free Thoughts' started by outlandish, Oct 31, 2006.

  1. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    I see what you're getting at, J.B, whites are less likely to get prosecuted for their crimes. It's a big problem these days.
     
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  3. Ganymede Valued Senior Member

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    That's chart doesn't change the fact your chances of getting murderd by a Black Man is 15% However, your chances of getting murderd by a White Man is 85%! DEAL WITH IT!
     
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  5. phonetic stroking my banjo Registered Senior Member

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    There's absolutely no chance of being murdered by an Asian or Latino then?
     
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  7. Baron Max Registered Senior Member

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    ...LOL!

    Baron Max
     
  8. Ganymede Valued Senior Member

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    Nope.. Statistics like these are only compared between whites and blacks. As if no other races exist.
     
  9. J.B Banned Banned

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    Hispanic crime in counted as white crime in all govenment stats.
     
  10. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    J.B:

    Your own graph says otherwise.

    Are you really this stupid?
     
  11. Ganymede Valued Senior Member

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    Bullshit, you must not live in California. All the Republicans do is publicize the amount of crimes that lantino gangs and Illegals commit.
     
  12. J.B Banned Banned

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    Prisoners' sentences
    Violent offenders are the biggest group in jails in England and Wales, followed by those convicted of drugs offences.

    More than 6,400 people are serving life sentences - the highest number in Europe.

    The number of people found guilty by courts is stable, but the proportion jailed has risen.

    About one in six prisoners is being held on remand.

    James, click on this link to reality:
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/shared/spl/hi/pop_ups/06/uk_prisons_in_the_uk/html/2.stm
     
  13. J.B Banned Banned

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    In 1990, Congress passed the Hate Crime Statistics Act, requiring the Justice Department to collect and publish annual statistics on crimes that "manifest prejudice based on race, religion, sexual orientation, or ethnicity." To comply, the FBI collects data submitted voluntarily by local law-enforcement agencies, and assembles them into an annual summary report. Most of the analysis you will find here pertains to the numbers found in these reports.

    Anyone who has pored over Government documents, knows first-hand how agencies can manipulate data to make a point. Crime statistics are a good example, the treatment of hate-crime data being especially egregious. The Justice department has wide latitude in how they comply with the Hate Crime Statistics Act. Accordingly, it has bent the data toward its own ends by omitting categories for ethnic offenders. Thus, Hispanics cannot be hate criminals, only hate victims. When a Hispanic commits a hate crime, he is counted as white. When he is a victim, he becomes Hispanic. In this way the FBI pads the number of white offenders. Despite this baggage we can learn much from the FBI data. By focusing on victims, we can sidestep Justice Department attempts at obfuscation.

    We began by noting that a black in the US is about 20 times more likely to be a victim of hate crime than a white. The actual figure from the 1998 FBI data is 21.8. We can now correctly interpret this observation. Because the Justice department skews the data by excluding Hispanics from offender status, we cannot achieve the level of accuracy we would like. However, we can come pretty close by considering only victims and excluding Hispanics from the analysis. The FBI includes hate crime against property in their tabulation, and counts "offended" properties as victims. We consider here only crimes against persons.
    http://www.lagriffedulion.f2s.com/hatecrime.htm
     
  14. Ganymede Valued Senior Member

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    Can you provide evidence J.B that the F.B.I does this? Because I can provide evidence that proves their not. Look on page 23 of the FBI's hate crimes reporting manual.

    http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/hatecrime.pdf#search='FBI%20non%20hispanic%20Murder%20statistics'
     
  15. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    J.B's graph showing the people in prison is misleading, as I said.

    Just to spell it out, let's add up the numbers of non-violent offenders, reading off numbers roughly from the graph:

    Drugs - 12000
    Burglary - 7000
    Robbery - 6000
    Sexual offences - 6000
    Theft - 3000
    Fraud - 1500
    Motoring - 1500
    Other - 4000

    Total non-violent = 41000

    Violent - 13000

    So, from this graph alone, 24% of people in prison are in for violent crimes. That is, at least 3 out of every 4 prisoners are in for non-violent offences.
     
  16. Baron Max Registered Senior Member

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    So? What do you want to do? ..just let 'em back out on the streets? So they can do it all again? ...and then not arrest non-violent people ever again? Or spend gazillions on some "educational" program to teach them right from wrong?

    Hey, why don't we just let everyone do whatever they want to do? Anarchy, you know? No laws, no crimes, just everyone for themselves!

    Baron Max
     
  17. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    There are many alternatives. Community service orders, suspended sentences, house arrest, supervised release, decriminalising certain drugs, etc. etc. Jail should really be a last resort, since it achieves almost nothing useful. Non-violent offenders come out of jail damaged and more likely to commit more crimes, not less likely.

    Money spent on education is rarely wasted.

    No, that wouldn't work, because most people aren't highly educated.
     
  18. Baron Max Registered Senior Member

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    You keep spouting that kind of crap, James, but do you have any evidence that it works? Or are you just throwing out crap to see if anything sticks to the walls?

    Criminals ain't stupid, James, they know when they have it good ....and won't be punished. For example, in LA, the street gangs now often use underage kids to kill people, because the law won't do nothin' to 'em but juvenile detention ....which is something like a sports club for them! See? Be nice to 'em, and what do they do? ...they figure out a way to use it to their advantage.

    Baron Max
     
  19. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    There's plenty of evidence that this "crap" works. There are countless studies of various programmes, and one thing they always look at is recidivism rates.

    If you're really interested, a brief web search on any of these topics will turn up hundreds or thousands of articles.

    I'm not going to do all the work for you. At some stage, you have to decide to stop being so lazy.
     

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