USA's Homeland Security

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  1. Adam §Þ@ç€ MØnk€¥ Registered Senior Member

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    Looks like Bushy is making a Department of Homeland Security, which will suck in various agencies and personnel and duties from other departments. I tend to be a bit paranoid about Bush's activities, and this just reminds me far too much of both Nightwatch from Babylon 5 and the Party from 1984.
     
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  3. bbcboy Recovering christian Registered Senior Member

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    Saw Dubya on t.v. last night just walking across a lawn. (No sound cos we wuz listenin to other stuff) What is it with that mans walk? He looked just like that lifesize robot the japs have made. I for one don't believe he's real and Jim Hensen has a lot to answer for !!
     
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  5. Adam §Þ@ç€ MØnk€¥ Registered Senior Member

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    Bbcboy, you have a very queer sense of humour.

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  7. Neutrino_Albatross Legion of Dynamic Discord Registered Senior Member

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    Hate to destroy your conspiricy theory here but Jim Henson is dead (or mabey thats just what they want you to think)

    I agree Adam Bush's policy's really scare me. But what scare me even more is that nobody is resisting!!!!!!! Everyone in this whole damn country which is supposed to love its freedom so much dosen't seem to care that its being taken away!!!!!!!

    Anyone know how much a plane ticket to australia is? I think i might be better off there.
     
  8. goofyfish Analog By Birth, Digital By Design Valued Senior Member

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    RearrangingDeck Chairs On The Titanic

    Useless bureaucratic layering.

    The obvious problem appears to be diffusion of responsibility and power, lack of analytical capacity to deal with the intelligence already collected, lack of human interest in the proper areas and lack of cooperation.

    I see this as a purely inefficient answer to decades of incompetence on the parts of the various agencies such as the CIA, FNI, NSA, etc. How hard is it really to set up a dialogue between the agencies? Can't the CIA tell INS, NSA, and FBI that someone is entering the country that might warrant observing? Do we really need a 196,000-person department to perform this task?

    Peace.
     
  9. The Metatron Registered Senior Member

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    I think in theory its a good idea because one unit of bureaucracy is to answer for any problems miscues etc. instead of these agancies pointing fingers at one another when they fail ala FBI, CIA, DEA. The only problem with the change is it was made under the pressure of critisism instead of being done because it needed to.
     
  10. Azrael Angel of Light Registered Senior Member

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    I agree with the metatron, its a good idea if it is utilized correctly. The 9/11 attacks proved that a central agnecy was needed to bring all the itelligence from the FBI, CIA, NSA, DEA and other government agencys together into one coherent form. Now we just sit back and watch what the politicians do with it.
     
  11. goofyfish Analog By Birth, Digital By Design Valued Senior Member

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    Wouldn't you rather be involved than just watching?
    What other kind would he have??

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  12. Azrael Angel of Light Registered Senior Member

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    Yes, I would rather be involved. But I think this is akin to a chess match, the politicions need to make the first move, then we will know how to respond and what actions to take. Or maybe my way of thinking is just messed up and cynical. Or maybe we should just assume the worst and pre pro-active.
     
  13. kmguru Staff Member

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    I thought we already had a central group:

    The National Intelligence Council, managed by a Chairman and a Vice Chairman, is comprised of National Intelligence Officers--senior experts drawn from all elements of the Community and from outside the Government. The National Intelligence Officers concentrate on the substantive problems of particular geographic regions of the world and of particular functional areas such as economics and weapons proliferation. They serve the DCI in his role as leader of the Intelligence Community by providing a center for mid-term and long-term strategic thinking and production. Through routine close contact with policymakers, collection, research, and community analysis, the NIC provides the DCI with the information he needs to assist policymakers as they pursue shifting interests and foreign policy priorities. The NIC also draws on nongovernmental experts in academia and the private sector to bring in fresh perspectives and analytic methods to enhance the intelligence process. Finally, the NIC assists the Intelligence Community by evaluating the adequacy of intelligence support and works with the Community's functional managers to refine strategies to meet the most crucial needs of our senior consumers.

    Now, in addition, we have atleast 150 different federal agencies with their own intelligence departments....DoD and non DoD
     
  14. kmguru Staff Member

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    Are we turning into a 'police state'?


    In a televised address to the nation Thursday evening, President Bush proposed the creation of a cabinet-level domestic security office to act as a clearinghouse for intelligence collected by many existing federal agencies.

    Like several other law enforcement changes proposed by the Bush administration during the past two weeks, this move was sharply criticized by civil libertarians, one of whom cautioned that Bush was leading the country toward a "police state."

    The FBI and the CIA would not be replaced by the new agency, but some of their operations could be given over to it. The agency would envelop 22 other federal agencies, including the Immigration and Naturalization Service, the Customs Service, the Coast Guard, the Federal Emergency Management Agency, the Border Patrol, Lawrence Livermore National Lab, the FBI's National Infrastructure Protection Program, the Drug Enforcement Agency and the Secret Service.



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