Self-contradiction within Chr and Mus rels. about their god

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  1. GB-GIL Trans-global Senator Evilcheese, D-Iraq Registered Senior Member

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    One of the backbones of both religions is that god is all-loving, all compassionate.

    WHY THE FUCKING HELL WOULD HE SEND NONBELIEVERS TO HELL THEN? IF HELL IS ULTIMATE SUFFERING, HE ISN'T ALL COMPASSIONATE BECAUSE I HAVE MORE COMPASSION THAN THAT, I WOULD SEND EVERY FUCKING BITCH ON THIS EARTH TO HEAVEN WHETHER I FELT THEY REALLY DESERVED IT OR NOT!

    Duh!!!
     
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  3. GB-GIL Trans-global Senator Evilcheese, D-Iraq Registered Senior Member

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    If you're willing to accept the discrepancy, and say that one is wrong and the other is right... Well, I don't care.

    IF THERE IS A GOD AND HE SENDS NONBELIEVERS TO HELL, HE IS A MOTHERFUCKING ASSHOLE SHITFACE SON OF A BITCH'S ASS THAT HAS SEX WITH HIS MOM EVERY DAY!!!

    Just had to get that out. Deeply sorry if I offended anybody...
     
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  5. Xev Registered Senior Member

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    GB-GIL Trans- global, you are utterly and totally uber-cool! And sooo fucking right!

    Their "Big Daddy in the Sky" has a real mean streak, and He's supposed to be compassionate. Give me a fucking break! How in the hell does a compassionate being torture people for eternity for not believing?

    Honestly! STUPID!
     
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  7. GB-GIL Trans-global Senator Evilcheese, D-Iraq Registered Senior Member

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    Thanks ^^;

    "Hi, my name is Bob, and I'm God. Because of my extremely selfish feelings and emotional instability, I torture, for eternity, those who do not believe I exist"

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  8. Xev Registered Senior Member

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    Of course. Anyone who says things like:

    "IF THERE IS A GOD AND HE SENDS NONBELIEVERS TO HELL, HE IS A MOTHERFUCKING ASSHOLE SHITFACE SON OF A BITCH'S ASS THAT HAS SEX WITH HIS MOM EVERY DAY!!!"

    Has a special place in my heart.

    Hey, I had a thought! (That's rare

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    What will God do with masochists who don't believe in him, or believe in the wrong God? Like, not torture them for eternity?
     
  9. GB-GIL Trans-global Senator Evilcheese, D-Iraq Registered Senior Member

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    Originally posted by Xev


    Of course. Anyone who says things like:

    "IF THERE IS A GOD AND HE SENDS NONBELIEVERS TO HELL, HE IS A MOTHERFUCKING ASSHOLE SHITFACE SON OF A BITCH'S ASS THAT HAS SEX WITH HIS MOM EVERY DAY!!!"

    Has a special place in my heart.



    Aww... how sweet!

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    Hey, I had a thought! (That's rare

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    What will God do with masochists who don't believe in him, or believe in the wrong God? Like, not torture them for eternity?


    That's a hard question. According to Christianity and Islam, he'll torture them ANYWAYS.

    Hey, Cthulhu will distroy religious idiots first, right? That's what he told me, but I just wanted to make sure he wasn't double-crossing me (he does that often, he likes to mess with my mind and tie my tentacles)
     
  10. Xev Registered Senior Member

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    That's kinda dumb....I mean, they'll like it! As Epicetus once said (or maybe it wasn't Epicetus)

    "The masochist says "Beat me" and the sadist says "No""

    Just stupid!

    The Great Cthulhu will DESTROY the Bible thumpers, the fundies, the Q'ran thumpers, the violent fundies of all religions! Then he will lead the smart, decent and moral people into a paradise of buxom blonde massagy girls and hockey all day and drug-filled nights and scientific and philosophical discovery.
     
  11. GB-GIL Trans-global Senator Evilcheese, D-Iraq Registered Senior Member

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    Ooh... mmm... ahh... what a promising future is in store for us all, thanks to my brother!
     
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  13. GB-GIL Trans-global Senator Evilcheese, D-Iraq Registered Senior Member

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    LoL

    Well, I'd be curious to see your opinions...

    BTW, are you from Jakarta, or elsewhere in Java? I think what I really mean is: is your first language Bahasa Jawa or Bahasa Indonesia?
     
  14. ismu ::phenomenon::. Registered Senior Member

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    Originally posted by GB-GIL Trans-global

    "Well, I'd be curious to see your opinions..."

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    "BTW, are you from Jakarta, or elsewhere in Java? I think what I really mean is: is your first language Bahasa Jawa or Bahasa Indonesia?

    Yes. East Java. I speak Bahasa Jawa AND Bahasa Indonesia.
    Btw, do you know that "Bahasa" = "Language"?
     
  15. GB-GIL Trans-global Senator Evilcheese, D-Iraq Registered Senior Member

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    Originally posted by ismu
    Originally posted by GB-GIL Trans-global

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    Seriously?

    "BTW, are you from Jakarta, or elsewhere in Java? I think what I really mean is: is your first language Bahasa Jawa or Bahasa Indonesia?

    Yes. East Java. I speak Bahasa Jawa AND Bahasa Indonesia.
    Btw, do you know that "Bahasa" = "Language"?


    Yep, I knew that.
     
  16. ismu ::phenomenon::. Registered Senior Member

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    Yup, for now.
     
  17. LIGHTBEING Registered Senior Member

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    The answer is "God" doesn't send people to hell. This concept is just used for Propaganda to get more people into a specific religion. The weakminded and the "what if" people tend to fall for it.

    I got a "what if" question for all these so-called Godly people. What if a baby never has a chance to get exposed to your Holy Book and dies....does the little baby burn in hell for eternity?
     
  18. GB-GIL Trans-global Senator Evilcheese, D-Iraq Registered Senior Member

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    No, the answer is "god" doesn't exist.

    Another thing wrong with Christianity-- Jesus never actually claimed to be the saviour. Oh wait, he did-- but not of all you fucks. Just of the Jewish people. There's a big motherfucking difference! AND WHEN DID HE CLAIM THAT HE WAS GOD? The friggin' part in the bible where he refers to god as father is dumb-- ever heard of the MOTHERFUCKING Pater Noster? "our father who art in heaven" So just because Jesus uses a rather informal word for father (more like daddy or dad) means that he's the son of god? I think not.

    Muhammed actually CLAIMED to be what Muslims think he is. That makes more sense.

    Now, all of the "miracles" of the bible could've happened in other ways (excluding Eastern holistic powers, which would've warranted nearly all that stuff as easy as shit-- many Eastern philosophers were known to do the stuff that the bible says jesus did, or that others did thru the power of god)

    Let's see... to provide you with just a few: it IS possible, scientifically, for a virgin to give birth (although it is much much more likely for it to be a girl than a boy, but still possible). The chances of Mary giving birth THRU joseph (she was supposed to have more children) are completely impossible if she gave a virgin birth. It is, however, remotely possible (although all the numbers are unfavourable) that after having sex with Joseph she still conceived not because of sexual activity but because of the same reason she had Jesus. (jesus had brothers and sisters-- however, it is never stated whether these relations are true brothers and sisters, Joseph's children by another women, more remote relatives treated as children of Mary and Joseph, etc)

    The next thing is-- Jesus COULD'VE survived crucifixion, and not been heavenly for doing so (it's been known to happen, and as the tradition went a survivor of crucifixion was spared his punishment). Now, do you remember anybody actually checking Jesus' tomb to see that he was there? No. Now, there is a plant that grows in that region that promotes superfast healing, and can save lives that would've otherwise been lost because of wounds. There were, apparently, many of these plants near Jesus' cross. As his family and friends were around him, and allowed to let him drink vinegar from a towel and to rub vinegar on his wounds-- perhaps the vinegar was secretly mixed with the solution from the plant, and when rubbed on Jesus' wounds, it healed them. Perhaps when Jesus appeared after his death, he was really still alive. Maybe his relatives knew, but didn't tell the disciples.

    Another common misconception which has actually been proven culturally incorrect is that Judas Escariot chose to turn Jesus in. When Jesus told Judas to "do what he must do", Judas (the treasurer of the disciples) thought that Jesus meant to exchange their "dirty" currency for the "clean" currency of the city (as was the law at the time). Since Judas was friends with many of those who wanted to find Christ to kill him and they were those that officiated the exchange of currency, when he came to them they changed currency and said "judas, lead us to christ or your life is over". Judas lead them to Christ. One may think that Judas was still evil for trading Jesus' life for money. Well, at the time, reward money was paid for such acts, whether they were forced acts or voluntary acts.

    Sweating blood is another thing. This isn't holy-- many people, both monotheists and polytheists, as well as atheists-- have sweated blood when fearing impending death. This is because the blood pressure in the blood vessels leading to the skin cells passes the maximum and makes the vessels burst, and the blood flows into the sweat glands and comes out thru them.
     
  19. LIGHTBEING Registered Senior Member

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    No the answer is not "God doesn't exist" because nobody can prove that. The same holds true for the opposite. Nobody can prove that "God" does exist. It's not worth debating this subject because no definate answer will surface. It's just something we have to wait for to find out. Then again we may wait for absolute nothingness.

    I am convinced that Hell is a concept used by religion for Propaganda. It forces people to think....oh what the hell....what do I have to loose.

    I agree with you that Jesus is not "God" but what does this have to do with the topic?

    The topic is why would the compassionate Christian and Muslim "God" send his own people to Hell?
     
  20. Tyler Registered Senior Member

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    This has long been the basis for my choice of atheism. If the Christian God Himself came down here and proved his existence I would look him in the eye (eyes? anyone know the anatomy of a god?) and say 'I don't believe'. I woudl rather rot in hell for all eternity than bask in the 'glory' of a god as cruel as the Christian god.
     
  21. GB-GIL Trans-global Senator Evilcheese, D-Iraq Registered Senior Member

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    *clap clap clap*

    If I remember correctly, God looks exactly like man. But, since we evolved, he must really look like a one-celled microorganism and he musn't have any eyes at all! (he created man in his own image. well, maybe he manipulated the evolution of man towards his own image)

    If that fucking bitch came down and proved his existance, I would get out an AK47 and blast him to hell

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    Naw, personally I believe that the mind is more powerful than the concept of god. Some people are OK with deaths because of god. I am OK with them because I can play tricks on my own mind to make myself feel better.

    Actually, if god came down here, I'd probably cuss at him until kingdom come (actually, that's a religious expression referring to the Aboga Lips, isn't it?) I'd say "You're an evil fuck, you motherfucking shitface asshole-licking penis-eating cum-drinking slut-paying feces-eating self-blowing son of a motherfucking asshole of a bitch!" or something to that affect (I'd think of something worse, believe me)

    Bat of ke'ers, zis vut neffer apen bikas zere is no got.
     

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