Vibrators

Discussion in 'Astronomy, Exobiology, & Cosmology' started by Theoryofrelativity, Sep 22, 2006.

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    deleted in protest to really poor moderation
     
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  3. Megabrain Registered Senior Member

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    You'd be dead, just like the unfortunate victims of suicide bombers.
     
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    That was an episode of Star Trek. The creatures vibrated at a much higher frequency and while we were visible to them, they were invisible to us. We appeared as unmoving statues. I think one of them was in love with Kirk or something and slipped him a drug that allowed him to vibrate at their frequency. He hung out with the high frequency chick, probably banged her a few times, and then their tragic love story ended with him returning to normal.
     
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  7. Theoryofrelativity Banned Banned

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    was it really? lol

    I had this dream in over 15yrs ago, it wasn't as you describe in star trek quite, but the rest of the dream details are irrelevant, its just the question re atoms vibrating that interests me here

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  8. imaplanck. Banned Banned

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    Is all academic as it's impossible for bonded atoms to be further appart. Whether in an ionic or covalent bond they have a set attraction and therefor distance appart.


    No, not if they have any molecular structure and anything without a molecular structure is not going to be alive in any sense of the word.
     
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    http://www.bookrags.com/Covalent_bond

    The bonds do vibrate for the length of the bond at least, when the atoms move too far away, the attraction forces pull them back together, wheh the atoms move too close, the replusion forces move them apart again.

    "Covalent Bond

    A covalent bond is a bond formed when two atoms share a pair of electrons. A neutral group of atoms bonded together covalently is called a molecule, and a substance which is made up of molecules is called a molecular substance. Covalent molecules make up many common substances, including plastics, paper, and human tissue.

    Another type of bond that occurs when electrons are transferred between atoms is called an ionic bond(or electrovalent bond). Compounds held together by ionic bonds are called ionic compounds. Molecular compounds have lower melting and boiling points than do ionic compounds. Molecular compounds often occur as individual molecules, whereas ionic compounds occur as a crystal lattice. This crystal lattice structure gives the ionic compounds their higher melting and boiling points.

    One characteristic that both ionic and covalent compounds share is that they both adhere to the octet rule. The octet rule is the principle that describes the bonding in atoms. Individual atoms are unstable unless they have an octet of electrons in their highest energy level. The electrons in this level are called valence electrons. When atoms gain, lose, or share electrons with other atoms, they satisfy the octet rule and form chemical compounds. An example of this is the formation of molecular fluorine (F2) from two individual fluorine atoms. A fluorine atom has seven valence electrons. According to the octet rule, eight valence electrons is the most stable configuration, so each fluorine atom needs one more electron. If each fluorine atom shares one electron with the other, the octet rule will be satisfied and a covalent bond is formed. Another example of a molecule formed by covalent bonds is ammonia (NH3). A nitrogen atom has five valence electrons, so it needs three more to satisfy the octet rule.Hydrogen has one valence electron, so it needs one more to fill its outer energy level (hydrogen has electrons in only the first energy level, which fills when two electrons are present, unlike the other energy levels that require eight). If one nitrogen atom shares an electron with each of three hydrogen atoms, and the three hydrogen atoms each share an electron with the nitrogen atom, three covalent bonds are formed and the octet rule is satisfied for all four atoms.

    Covalent bonds are formed due to the forces of electric attraction between atoms, for example, the covalent bond that forms between two fluorine atoms. An attractive force occurs between the negatively charged electrons on the first fluorine atom and the positively charged protons on the second fluorine atom. A repulsive force also occurs between the electrons in each atom and between the protons in each atom. It would seem that this repulsive force would cause the atoms to move away from each other. The distance between the protons in one fluorine atom and the protons in the other fluorine atom (and, similarly, between the electrons between each atom as well) is greater than the distance between the electrons of one atom and the protons of the other. Therefore, the attractions between the two atoms are greater than the repulsions, and the two fluorine atoms are held together. Making the individual flourine atoms more stable (satisfying the octet rule) is also important. The stabilization of the atoms outweighs any repulsive forces there may be between the two atoms.

    The fact that there are repulsive as well as attractive forces between two atoms means that the covalent bond must be flexible.
    If two atoms start to move apart, the attractive forces will draw them back toward each other. If they then move too close to each other, the repulsive forces will push them apart. The atoms in a covalent bond are actually vibrating back and forth around an average distance where the two forces are balanced. This average distance is called the bond length. The bond length is related to bond energy, which is the energy required to break a covalent bond. A general rule relating bond length and bond energy is the shorter the bond length, the greater the bond energy; the two are inversely related."


    Thus as human tissue is made up of covalent bonds, isn't it possible for another biological creature to exist that simply has bonds which are longer than ours?
     
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  10. Muslim Immortal Valued Senior Member

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    That sounds similar to jinns your dream, as jinn exist in a parallel universe to ours and humans are not supposed to see them, however they can actually possess you.

    Check out some articles:
    http://www.ufoinfo.com/news/FSR_scientific.html
    http://www.irfi.org/articles/articles_1_50/jinn_a_scientific_analysis.htm
    http://www.100megsfree4.com/farshores/anmejin.htm
    http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/7906/
    http://www.crescentlife.com/spirituality/extra-terrestrial_life.htm
    http://www.al-sunnah.com/call_to_islam/articles/the_world_of_the_jinn.html (really good article, a must read)
     
  11. tablariddim forexU2 Valued Senior Member

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    I opened this thread thinking that you were going to chat about your favourite vibrators, you know, those things that navvies use to flatten soil.
     
  12. Muslim Immortal Valued Senior Member

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    You were not the first one to assume that.

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  13. Theoryofrelativity Banned Banned

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    intentional

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  14. imaplanck. Banned Banned

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    precisely!
    To reiterate, how then would a molecule exist with atoms perminantely spaced further appart?
     
  15. Kendall ......................... ..... Registered Senior Member

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    I would think that if one being had longer bonds than another they would just be larger taking up more space. Mayby different enviroments would create different bond lenths, different atmosphere, different gravity and different light conditions. I have seen experiments where under controlled enviroments fish were grown something like 50 or 80% larger than normal. I would like to see the results of an experiment where an animal was concieved and raised in specific enviroments and the effects of different enviroments on there bond lenths if any. Well not on animals but plants or something might give the same results.
     
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  16. Theoryofrelativity Banned Banned

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    thank you for that kendall.
     
  17. Maast AF E-7 Retired Registered Senior Member

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    Er, if I understand what you're asking.. If the atoms comprising humans vibrated at a higher frequency what you'd be talking to is a sentient plasma cloud.

    Atomic vibration is the (simplified) definition of heat, to raise the vibration frequency and amplitude of atoms is to raise the heat in those atoms and thus their spacing from each other.

    This is why things expand as they get hot.

    So if you were to take a human and raise their molecular vibration they'd explode when they got hot enough and the water in their tissues did a phase change into vapor (flash into steam).

    Put a gerbil in a high power microwave oven and watch what happens. That'll show you much better than any amount of words can.

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  18. TruthSeeker Fancy Virtual Reality Monkey Valued Senior Member

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    Vibrators

    Wtf, TOR!!!! I thought this thread was about vibrators!!!!!

    What a disappointment....

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    *shakes head*

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  19. TruthSeeker Fancy Virtual Reality Monkey Valued Senior Member

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    For your interest...
    New age people actually think like that (except the hostile part) and they believe that we will evolve to higher vibrations, after we go into the aquarian era... :m:

    What do you think about that?

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  20. TruthSeeker Fancy Virtual Reality Monkey Valued Senior Member

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    Those fish simply had larger cells- not lenghtier covalent bonds.

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    I don't know if this is possible, but it is certainly interesting... :m:
     
  21. CANGAS Registered Senior Member

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    The spacing of atoms within molecules and the frequencies at which they normally vibrate are not frivolous things. For these things to be measurably different than normal would mean that virtually every physical constant would necessarily be substantially different. In terms of the Big Bang, the universe would have barely gotten out of the starting gate before it would have vanished into thin air ( I mean into nothingness ) and you and I would be a good many billion years too late to be contemplating spacings and frequencies.
     
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  23. Kendall ......................... ..... Registered Senior Member

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    I thought it was larger cells and not longer bonds that made the fish larger but wasen't really sure, I think I read somewhere that you can increase the distance between an electron and the necleus by adding energy, I dont know where I read it or if it's true.
     

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