The Inconvenient Truth: Al Gore's an Idiot

Discussion in 'Politics' started by madanthonywayne, Jun 15, 2006.

  1. TruthSeeker Fancy Virtual Reality Monkey Valued Senior Member

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    Mr. G, you are an idiot.
     
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  3. Mr. G reality.sys Valued Senior Member

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    I'm devastated, devastated, I tell you, by your very unkind assertion.

    I am destroyed, destroyed.

    Oh, the inhumanity.

    How can I go on living?

    I'm so emotionally unstable that just anyone can define my existence for me.

    I will register as a Democrat tomorrow, so you'll like me.
     
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  5. madanthonywayne Morning in America Registered Senior Member

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    A few jobs? As I mentioned above, to come anywhere near the Kyoto protocal goal would require the loss of a lot more than a few jobs. And there is no proof that increasing CO2 will result in an Ice age. That's not true of the damage inflicted by your "cure". That we know will happen.

    Notice the clever switch made by the global warming alarmists. Now they claim warming will cause an ice age. See, this way they're covered no matter what happens. If it gets warmer, it's global warming. If it gets colder, it's global warming. The only way they're wrong is if everything stays exactly the same. Which the weather never does. Therefore, global warming is nonfalsifiable. It's officially a religion.
     
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  7. alain du hast mich Registered Senior Member

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    "Worse than terrorism. Worse than Hitler. Worse than the USSR. Worse than the black plague."

    yes, yes, yes, yes and yes

    Global Warming shall kill more people then any of the aforementioned, it will do more damage to the environment then any of them. In what definition of the word do you think Global Warming is better then them?
     
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  9. spuriousmonkey Banned Banned

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    You meant: untill we have more reliable models NOT taking drastic action would be idiotic.
     
  10. TW Scott Minister of Technology Registered Senior Member

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    Spurious what are you smoking.

    It's simple as this, we find a small growth in your lung. It's growth seems to be loosely related to the insulin levels in your bloodstream.

    Al Gore would be the Doctor who would remove your pancreas to cure the problem.

    Meanwhile Madanthonywayne would be the doctor who orders a biopsy andtuns a few rat metastasizing tests to test if insulin really is the crucial contributing factor.

    Do you get the point now?
     
  11. spuriousmonkey Banned Banned

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    The proper analogy would be:

    there is a small growth in your lung. It's growth seems to have a causal relationship to your smoking habit.

    Al gore would be the doctor that recommends you to quit smoking immediately and suggests to have the small growth treated.
     
  12. The Devil Inside Banned Banned

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    sticking your head in the sand is not a viable solution.
    spuriousmonkey is correct.
     
  13. swivel Sci-Fi Author Valued Senior Member

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    Brilliant post.

    Except that I would have said "cult" instead of "religion". Religions tend to stick around for more than a single generation. They have a bit of weight due to longevity and tradition. Cults, however, are the "fad" version of a religion. They usually die with their adherents.

    Global Warming will go the way of the Ozone, Rainforests, and Dolpins-in-Tuna-Nets. It is a passing fad that will be forgotten while the next generation of unthinking nut-jobs are pulling their hair out over the looming threat of "Plate Tectonic Acceleration" which is being caused by man. Or when they realize that the creation of Lake Mead created a wobble in the Earth's rotation, and that the dam across the Yangtse it going to do far worse... resulting in the flipping of the planet. Well, that last one has already been in vogue once, but I foresee it making a comeback.
     
  14. Nickelodeon Banned Banned

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    Rainforests are not under threat any more? Well thats a relief.
     
  15. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    madanthonywayne:

    You obviously don't know what you're talking about. See the film, then get back to me once you're educated.

    This is false.

    I made no claim that global warming would cause a global ice age.

    Please see Gore's film, where he explains the effects of the melting of the Greenland icesheet on Atlantic ocean currents, and the consequent effects on Europe. This has happened before, so it is not conjecture.
     
  16. TW Scott Minister of Technology Registered Senior Member

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    Interesting argument. Prove it. His case is easy to see, but yours is three words.
     
  17. Buffalo Roam Registered Senior Member

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    And the world has been much warmer before, and the seas have been much higher, this is the global cycle nothing we can do will stop it, the sea has been lower and it has been higher, it has been colder and it has been warmer, can we command the tide, so then how can we command the worlds temperature? Al Gore, is not a modern day King Canute, King Canute was a man of sense, but the rest of you might be mistaken for his subjects.

    King Canute on the Seashore
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    Long ago, England was ruled by a king named Canute. Like many leaders and men of power, Canute was surrounded by people who were always praising him. Every time he walked into a room, the flattery began.
    "You are the greatest man that ever lived," one would say.
    "O king, there can never be another as mighty as you," another would insist.
    "Your highness, there is nothing you cannot do," someone would smile.
    "Great Canute, you are the monarch of all," another would sing. "Nothing in this world dares to disobey you."
    The king was a man of sense, and he grew tired of hearing such foolish speeches.
    One day he was walking by the seashore, and his officers and courtiers were with him, praising him as usual. Canute decided to teach them a lesson.
    "So you say I am the greatest man in the world?" he asked them.
    "O king," they cried, "there never has been anyone as mighty as you, and there never be anyone so great, ever again!"
    "And you say all things obey me?" Canute asked.
    "Absolutely!" they said. "The world bows before you, and gives you honor."
    "I see," the king answered. "In that case, bring me my chair, and we will go down to the water."
    "At once, your majesty!" They scrambled to carry his royal chair over the sands.
    "Bring it closer to the sea," Canute called. "Put it right here, right at the water's edge." He sat down and surveyed the ocean before him. "I notice the tide is coming in. Do you think it will stop if I give the command?"
    His officers were puzzled, but they did not dare say no. "Give the order, O great king, and it will obey," one of then assured him.
    "Very well. Sea," cried Canute, "I command you to come no further! Waves, stop your rolling!. Surf, stop your pounding! Do not dare touch my feet!"
    He waited a moment, quietly, and a tiny wave rushed up the sand and lapped at his feet.
    "How dare you!" Canute shouted. "Ocean, turn back now! I have ordered you to retreat before me, and now you must obey! Go back!"
    And in answer another wave swept forward and curled around the king's feet. The tide came in, just as it always did. The water rose higher and higher. It came up around the king's chair, and wet not only his feet, but also his robe. His officers stood before him, alarmed, and wondering whether he was not mad.
    "Well, my friends," Canute said, "it seems I do not have quite so much power as you would have me believe. Perhaps you have learned something today. Perhaps now you will remember there is only one King who is all-powerful, and it is he who rules the sea, and holds the ocean in the hollow of his hand. I suggest you reserve your praises for him."
    The royal officers and courtiers hung their heads and looked foolish. And some say Canute took off his crown soon afterward, and never wore it again.
     
  18. Genji Registered Senior Member

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    We have to remember the rightwing creed: Pass responsibility onto future generations for problems we face today. If oil barons are profiting on our oil dependence then By God let them continue! Global warming is a librull LIE!! What if there is some truth to our having an impact on global climate? We'd have to take action. Something the Right is incapable of. Accepting responsibility for a problem is anethma to the wing that blames the world's ills on a president we had 7 years ago. We made a difference with the 70's Clean Air Act. Even BR should recall that NYC, LA and Boston looked like Beijing at rush hour in those days. Lakes were flammable! Smog choked the cities. We made progress, to the chagrin of the Right. They were Forced to spend money on cleanup, technology and take responsibility. Young posters here likely don't believe US cities were smothered in smog, had flammable rivers, bays and even lakes. We have come a long way, with no help from the lapdog wannabe minions of industry that post such garbage as is above. Keep your cheesy fables to yourself; Take Responsibility for Once and look to ways we can further reduce pollution, whether or not it has affected the climate.
     
  19. TW Scott Minister of Technology Registered Senior Member

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    I love when left wing apologists post. Yeah the same left wing that owns all those industries that were polluting and destroying the environment. The same left wing that made the American middle class pay for the clean up out of their pocket. The same left wing that says the Right wingers didn't want it. No the right wing wanted the cleaner standards but believe that the businesses in question showuld pay for their own cleanup, not get welfare for billionaires.

    As for passing on the probelm, that is not what we are saying, we are saying we need more research to determine exactly what the problem is. We have a model that can't even predict the same thing twice, and can't even duplicate or reverse process the past. Obviously it is a flawed model, we need a new one before we take drastic steps. Untill then we take milder ones.
     
  20. Genji Registered Senior Member

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    The only thing Left about big industry in the 1970's were unions, which were decimated by Rotting Reagan through outsourcing and wiping out good paying US jobs. RE as in REpublican stands for REverse. Going backward. The Right would happily repeal ALL advances in pollution control if they could get away with it. I'm no Lefty apologist either. I'm a Lefty. Again, wannabe FoxNews suckups refuse to take responsibility for anything that might slow the torrent of cash flowing into the maw of the corrupted energy/oil industry. Pass it on, like their war debt, to the future generations to deal with. Reaganomics 101.
     
  21. madanthonywayne Morning in America Registered Senior Member

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    Really?
    I'm aware of the theory regarding global warming screwing up ocean currents. I heard it on Art Bell. Right after the anti-christ called in. I also saw The Day After Tommorow. Same theory. And I told you before. I'll see Al Gore's movie when it's on cable and I can see it without Al Gore getting any of my money!
     
  22. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    Since this thread is about Al Gore's movie, madanthonywayne, I guess now is the time for you to bow out. You can't discuss what you haven't seen.

    Oh, and Europe is not the world.
     
  23. Buffalo Roam Registered Senior Member

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    No global warming may not be a lie, but the idea that we are responsible, and can do anything about it is, and yes I am for a cleaner environment, and I am happy that we have cleaned it up from the time I was born, but in all the year since I was born, all I have heard is that it the worst environment ever, the air is dirtier, the rivers are more polluted, the forests are disappearing, the ocean is dieing, well when I look up the information what I find is that year by year the standard have been tightened to the point that we are putting cleaner water back into the environment with our industries than we take out, we are planting more trees and there are more acres of land under forestation in the U.S. since the 1800, everybody points to the U.S. and tells us that we are the fault of Global warming, well how about the rest of the world, look at Russia, China, India, the whole of Asia, How about South America were they are burning 5,000,000 hectares of forest ever year:
    http://news.mongabay.com/2006/0410-central_america.html
    and now the Asian logging companies are moving into South America: Guyana, Surinam, and the big prize, the Amazon rainforest. So who is the real problem in the environmental health of the world, the U.S., I think not the research that I have done doesn't seem to bare this out, the rest of the world should have to live up to our environmental standards, and then lets see if there is a improvement, which I doubt would happen, as this warming is cyclical in the environment of the earth and if we are in a natural warming cycle we are not going to be able to do a thing about it, and if we aren't why hasn't all the things that we have done , done anything to slow down the perceived warming? are we even doing the right things to solve the problem?

    Earth Observatory Features: From Forest to Field: How Fire is ...
    ... human settlement began to encroach on the borders of South America’s Amazon forests, ... Slash-and-burn agriculture converts forest to farm land, ...
    http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Study/AmazonFire/

    The Holocaust of the Green Cathedral:Tropical Forest Deforestation
    Asian logging companies are moving into South America: Guyana, Surinam, and now the big prize, the Amazon rainforest. Large parts of still intact forest in ...
    http://www.dhushara.com/book/diversit/cathed.htm
     

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