Is eating meat morally wrong

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Really that stupid? It is the intestinal flora (and yes it is called that) that live inside most grazing animals that makes the B12. So piss off.

It is only a fallacy if you can prove it is. Yes, just becuase it is natural does not make it right, but it can help support your other reasons. Also just becuase it is natural doesn't mean it is wrong either. The burden is on you James R, becuase you claim eating meat is morally wrong.

Well you had me till the sexist and racist comments. Take those out and you get.

Not so bad huh?

 

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Hmmm, you are a sad, sad, delusional man who has given me quite a bit to write about in my psych papers. And this is just another segement for that.

 

"Morality is not "completely subjective", as you claim." - james R

 

Well, you're only one of a dozen people I am writing about. In your case I am not sure what to label your disfunction. So I am submitting you as the class assignment for diagnosis or possibly lump you together with Darkstar. So far my instructor assumes you are corresponding form a mental institution. I haven't had the heart to tell her that you wander the streets.


Okay, james R, if this is you thread then you will have to prove without a doubt mankind needs no special effort to survive without meat. That means if meat consumption stopped tomorrow would the least educated people out there still be getting all of their nutrients. If we stopped importing annd exporting foods across long distances, would vegetarians get the specific food they need? If trade of foods from country to country dried up wuld there be a negative effect to vegetarians?

Now before you say this is pointless I do have something to point out. All of the things we can do that are immoral take no special effort not to do. There is no special steps you take not to murder, rape, torture, lie, or steal. In those cases you simply don't do them and nothing bad happens to you. Now stop eating meat with careful planning, deep pockets, and education and you are living well enough. Miss any one of those and your health worsens. See the difference here. Obviously there is something about meat we need. When we take it away we have to make do with substandard replacements that may not always be available.


Ultimately when it comes down to it, eating meats is like eating vegetable, grains and fruits. We are killing something so we may maintain our life. Now if you are squeemish and abhor killing other animals that is fine. Knock yourself out. Don't pretend it is becuase you have a higher moral standard, or that your ethics are more advanced. They aren't. You are no better and no worse than the average man.

 

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Seriously though, I think Jimmy just makes things up to stir up debate. It is obvious that vegetarianism is just a radical and ideological movement thanks to our very comfortable lifestyles nowadays.

 

Of course not, which is why I think you are highly dysfunctional

First of all I do not name drop, as that can lead to cyber stalking. It is a reputable university CMU.

There are no normal people without mental problems. It is the very first thing you learn in psyche 101. In fact one of the biggest indicators that a person has mental problems is that they claim they have none.

Actually, I have tried to get her to sign up, but she a practice and classes to teach. She may have a bit of free time, but why should she spend that with people crazier than some of her patients. Oh and thank you for the second time in proving your ignorance by insulting CMU.

First of all the first is of questionable moral standing. Dropping a banna peel in the woods is hardly an evil act. And dropping a wrapper in the street is just laziness. As for lieing, it is tempting to lie yes, but it is also hard work. Make no mistake of that. Telling the truth, even if it is painful is always easier in the long run. Now the personal gain problem is that you are activively doing it in a way to hurt people. It might seem like the easier way at first but in the long run you do much more and gain less.

Man I love how you lie here. What you eat is of no moral or etical importance unless what your eating is stolen from someone else or was someone else. And by that I mean a nother human. Go ahead be a vegetarian, it makes absolutely no difference in your morality. In fact I am beginning to believe that some few vegetarians would be better people if they ate meat. No you of course.

Might never happen? So you are betting your health on a system that gets disrupted constantly. That we are rapidly running out of fuel for and that is polluting our environment

First of all not everyone watches television. Second of all people need real education if they are gonna be vegetarian/vegans. They need all the facts. We don't have them yet. There needs to be more research done. Much more before we are truly ready to understand the risks and limited benefits.

Well I think you find that the people with real educations will be hard to sway from their diet choice. Some people chose to be Vegans, some choose to be Vegetarians, the majorityof us choose to remain ominvores. Which side is right? All? None?

Funny how you think me clinging to the the fact that a plant is just as valuable as cow seems to be dishonest. I'm not lieing at all, just sticking to my guns. Why is it any better to eat an acorn than it is to eat a steak? Sure you prettify it with sentience. You draw an imaginary line in the sand much like I do. The problem is I see any living thing as equal and you view animals as somehow deserving of rights. Well in a way you are right, animals have the same right they give us: The chance to runaway before they are lunch.



I am tired of you avoiding your responsibilities. You have proven nothing except your willingness to ignore any rational argement and cling to you aesthetics. I am weary of you continous ad hominem attacks, logical fallacies, emotional appeals, and general laziness. You have offered no concrete proof that eating meat is immoral, only you view. And while your view is important to you, that opinion and five nickles will get you a quarter.

 

Interesting paralell actually.

Have you seen Rambo? Oh that's right obviously not. A hunter wears camo in order to get into a better postion to take their shot. Unlike what you think, deer, elk, caribou, and moose are dangerous. I woun't even mention bears. And in all my years hunting i have never seen anyone wave their gun.

Okay first it is Ferrari. Second it is hardly big. Third, maybe they are speed junkies. You know they get the same thrill driving fast as you get making ad hominems and logical falacies.

Actually several girls I know wear them to improve their posture. Also they are to make the leg look slimmer and attract more desirable mates.

You got a point there.

No wonder your statistcs suck ass if you think half the world does one of those things.

Actually he was a thundering moron strategically. And he himself never fought. He sent other people to do it for him. He'd ask his generals for plans and then ignore them and when he lost would blame the generals.

Actually he was just a sleazy two bit, cowardly, cry baby lunatic who liked doing his retarded cousin. Yeah great poster boy for vegetarians.

Yeah they break into unguarded labs, break fragile equipment, release animals that might not be fit to live in the wild, and they disrupt legitimate research. That is only the complete opposite of protecting your friends and family.

 

James:

LOL!
PWNED!

 

What does that have to do with eating meat?

 

In the immortal words of Inigo Montoya,
"I don't think you know what that word means"

Effete means weak. People who smoke, drive fast, hunt, fish, lift weights, etc. are not weak. Quite the contrary. They engage in these activities to prove their strength.

Well, now I agree with you.

Now all this time I was resisting bringing up that famous vegetarian, and you went and did it yourself. Regarding Hitler not being a member of the far left, when you're that far to the left or the right; it's all the same. Do you think it's really that different to live under a fascist dictatorship than to live under a communist dictatorship? I've always pictured the whole left/right spectrum as being more of a circle. Rather than being as far apart as is possible, fascism and communism are in fact right next to each other.

I hate animal rights activists. As TW said, breaking into an unguarded lab and letting loose a bunch of rats doesn't demonstrate any great courage. By the way, have you seen that movie, I think it was called thirty days later, where the brave animal rights activists break into a lab and let loose a diseased monkey that proceeds to kill them all? The whole theature laughed out loud when the monkey jumped right onto the face of the idiot who had just freed him.