Excessive use of force in war

Discussion in 'History' started by spacemansteve, Jun 20, 2006.

  1. spuriousmonkey Banned Banned

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    Finally you see the truth.
     
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  3. leopold Valued Senior Member

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    yeah, and diplomacy could have prevented pearl harbor too.
    but like nanking the japanese just decided to take what they wantd without asking first but this time she took it from a country that bombed the fuck out of them.
    you know sperious the next time you get mugged i'm rootin' for the mugger.
    then tell everybody you should have begged instead of fighting back.
     
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  5. Buffalo Roam Registered Senior Member

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    Then provide your historical facts , and then all the fact that go with the fact you choose to use, the Magic intercepts give a time line of what was known, when it was known, what the players were doing and the fact that the Russian were avoiding the subject of surrender with the Japanese and not passing on any information to the U.S. on the subject. What were the intentions of the Russian, about the Japanese, when they didn't pass on the contact to the U.S. and at the same time were preparing to go to war against them?
     
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  7. spuriousmonkey Banned Banned

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    Does this have anything to do with the surrender of Japan? Or is it your irrational bloodlust that is the topic here?
     
  8. Buffalo Roam Registered Senior Member

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    The Criminal defining the crime? and Japan still doesn't take responsibility today for it actions during WWII.


     
  9. leopold Valued Senior Member

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    poor japan, she bombed pearl harbor without provocation and she got her ass kicked up between her shoulderblades for it.
     
  10. HonorAndStrength I know nothing Registered Senior Member

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    hahaha that was a good one. hey there how's it going leopold
     
  11. spuriousmonkey Banned Banned

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    Rednecks agreeing with each other. What a sorry sight.

    Boohoo...Japan attacked pearl harbor half a century ago. Boohoo..that's why we can nuke them...

    babies.
     
  12. leopold Valued Senior Member

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    is it my fault the dutch have no balls?
     
  13. Buffalo Roam Registered Senior Member

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    spuriousmonkey, Legally and technically correct, you win a cookie.
     
  14. oralloy Registered Senior Member

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    We didn't have any trouble finding Tokyo by radar and could thus easily fly a large fleet of planes loaded with napalm to Tokyo in the middle of the night.
     
  15. oralloy Registered Senior Member

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    Had Japan not surrendered after the third A-bomb and then the tightened blockade starving 10 million Japanese civilians to death, there would have been a great battle.



    It also points to Japan only being willing to surrender on terms that were utterly unacceptable to us.
     
  16. oralloy Registered Senior Member

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    Correct.



    Oh, they knew that. But that wasn't the point of the bombing.



    Nope. There is a concept called "collateral damage" that applies here.
     
  17. oralloy Registered Senior Member

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    Destroying Hiroshima with conventional bombs would not have killed many soldiers either. The nuke on Hiroshima killed 20,000 soldiers.

    Nagasaki could not be significantly damaged by conventional bombs.
     
  18. oralloy Registered Senior Member

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    The estimate from the study that the War Department commissioned said that an invasion would result in 1,700,000 to 4,000,000 American casualties, including 400,000 to 800,000 American deaths.



    That is incorrect. The Soviets were only planning to invade Hokkaido.
     
  19. oralloy Registered Senior Member

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    Pearl Harbor was a crime against peace.
     
  20. oralloy Registered Senior Member

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    There was no place for diplomacy. The only way for the war to end was with Japan unconditionally accepting the Potsdam Proclamation.
     
  21. oralloy Registered Senior Member

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    If they were historians, they'd have realized that Japan didn't try to surrender "just with a guarantee for the Emperor" until AFTER Nagasaki was bombed.
     
  22. HonorAndStrength I know nothing Registered Senior Member

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    They just don't understand the Japanese culture at the time. Samurai code was still influential and surrender was shameful.
     
  23. G. F. Schleebenhorst England != UK Registered Senior Member

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    "Collateral damage" is just killing as many women and children as you feel like and then just saying "shit happens". That's not an excuse.
     

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