How 'conditioned' are you

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I guess one of the best ways to find out how conditioned you are is to look at your parents...and then look at yourself.

Are you the same, different...how much different.

Then, its time to figure out how much youve been conditioned by your peers, from ages 7 to 21...same or different.

Its one of those questions that people hate to ask themselves, because the mentality you ask WITH, is itself part of the conditioning.

 

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well conditioning can have many different levels. Say you move to a new school and you have no friends, then one day you are invited to a party. You go to the party, meet new friends, stick with them for a long time, etc etc... If you continue to associate yourself with those friends you will inherently pick up some of thier qualities as a group, or some of the groups qualities will rub off on you and visa versa. You will start to act more like the other members of the group, you may all share the same group behaviors. Say you are white and everyone in your group of friends is black. Regardless of your cultural background, you will start to develop the properties and characteristics of the people in the group you associate with. The group you associate with might even be a sub culture of the culture in the area, with many other people in the same area sharing the same intrests and hobbies, etc. The same goes for the military. I have a cousin that is in the marines and he says that they condition soldiers to kill. Killing someone, or war, is not a natural instictual act for human beings. Self preservation is hardwired into us, generally war means putting that aspect of self preservation at risk, at least to some degree. You do not join the military without thinking you might be sent to war to kill or be killed. Soldiers are trained, or "conditioned" to kill without remorse, they are trained to get the job done. If you are shot at you shoot back. If you are faced with a choice, shoot first and ask questions later. Kill of be killed. My cousin said that in the marines, all of the recruits replace everyday words like hello, bye, thanks, good, etc, with the word kill. These collective actions of conditioning are a part of the militarys goal to make more effiecient killers in war. I mean what good are a bunch of soldiers that never fire back when being shot at? So I would say that soldiers are definatly conditioned to the extreme. In the case of minor conditioning, they could be made to feel the same, but it would take much more time. I think conditioning, in minor ways or large ways is equally effective, the deciding factor is simply time. Since the military does not have years and years to mold their recruits into killing machines they must go the fast route.

 

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I'm very conditioned, and most of us are. It's a product of culture and society. I don't know how to get around it besides become a hermit.

 

Any free thinker is not conditioned.

 

You, my dear, have nothing to worry about.
You are as pure as arctic snow.

Your love and acts and opinions are clean and devoid of any ulterior motives or selfish desires.
I only hope to become the ‘victim’ of such virginal cleanliness.

 

Excellent point.
Now, follow up the point with a description of what a “free-thinker” is.

I offer some unwelcome guidance using the words of another:

What of Nietzsche’s free-spirits?
Why do they walk alone?

Presumably they are bitter, ill, anti-social, bastards who can’t get laid….but what do you think, beyond what the herd says?

Think.
What is freedom?
Imagine freedom as it would be in an absolute state then look around you to see the degrees by which it manifests itself in this ‘dissatisfied universe’.

 

Surely, this is true in our youth. However, this is not the case anymore for those who think for themselves. In fact, even if both the conditioned person and a free thinker arrive at Destination B, he who reached B on his own is not conditioned.

 

I'll sit down and type out a response later tonight - I am off to eat dinner and eat my flan I made for us

 

Your mental process is just a result of conditioning that your own life experiences impose on you. It's adaptation, the governing factor of evolution. Everything that we do is based on the result of some other experience. We learn from our experiences, and condition ourselves. A revolutionist is a free thinker. But the reason that they're a revolutionary is because their experiences conditioned to be.

 

I know I am conditioned when my actual response does not meet with my desired response and a battle ensues.

classic conditoned responses for the population at large may include:

* the inability to say 'no' (conditoned to be compliant and agreeable)

*the inability to ask for a payrise (conditoned not to talk about money or ask for any, conditoned to 'make do' to be 'satisfied with your lot)

*the inability to ask for a date (conditoned to avoid rejection and failure)

and so on and so forth

I shall try NOT to conditon my kids to be selfless and proud to the point of poverty and misery

rather better to develop the natural selfish traits required to prosper and enjoy life.

 

I'm lucky with regard to not being conditioned with regard to 'conformity' as a kid, but conditioning re attitudes to money etc, and asking for help, declining help when offered etc. These were taught by way of manners but they have NOT benefitted me. I am reconditioning myself to 'ask' for and to accept help if I need it, but it is damn hard doing so, damn hard. The conditioned independance is fierce.

 

I know exactly what you mean; I'm the same way myself. A woman and a dolly can do anything a man can do and better, etc.

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I 'fear' people asking favours of me, incase I offend when I decline, why?

Why can't I just decline guilt free, what conditioning makes refusal so hard to accept?

 

The fact that we are "victims" of association is both our strength and achilles heel - we have the opportunity for improvement through good association and also vice versa -

There is a saying popular in some spanish speaking countries -"If I want to know you I will know your friends"

If you want to work out where you are I guess it is time to smell the cheese

 

I was raised to be independant, and my own nature was never to submit to control. But I found once control was relinquished willingly I liked it. But that is the key word, willingly.

 

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You do know that this idiom does exist in many other languages??
Most, I guess, derive from Aesop (he of his fables) - 6th Centure Greece?
"You shall know a man by the company he keeps" was a moral of one his stories.

Just found it funny that you might think it is limited to some Spanish-speaking countries.

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Yet, you willingly relinquish control to your imaginary 'forces?' The key word, imaginary.

 

I could say in the scenario I had in mind that I was in control of being controlled. Or rather I wasn't controlled an external responsibility previously mine was.

I shall ponder more on that, I see the contradiction, basically I permitted an illusion of control for the party participating

thus the conditoning had not lapsed after all.....

kids like boundaries though, control makes them feel safe, that transfers to adult hood. I shall ponder on what areas I am in denial of control

 

Have we met? No I didn't think so, thus as I have NEVER made any claim that reflects the above, I can assume you think yourself psychic, you are clearly nuts.

are u capable of contributing to a thread question and not personalising everything? No I didn't think so. you are conditioned to present a face of supreme idiocy, perhaps you were raised in a circus?