India vs Pakistan

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  1. Adam §Þ@ç€ MØnk€¥ Registered Senior Member

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    The enws tonight said there are unconfirmed reports that nuclear weapons are being brought into position around Kashmir. So, are we looking at a limited nuclear exchange at last?
     
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    It is very interesting game that Indians are playing. Very genius and inteligent. They will not go for war neither will Pakistan. First thing they will get through this is world attention to be diverted from the genocides in Gujrat. Where almost 1500 muslims were burned to death under the goverment supervision.

    http://www.paknews.com/letters.php?id=1&date1=2002-03-01

    http://www.ireland.com/newspaper/world/2002/0405/3824397812FR05RAHUL.html

    http://www2.bbc.co.uk/religion/news/index.shtml


    Very sad story here,

    http://www.indian-express.com/columnists/kuld/20020304.html


    http://www.tehelka.com/channels/currentaffairs/2002/mar/2/ca030202guj.htm

    http://www.worldpress.org/Asia/565.cfm

    It is pathetic how american meida stays quite on all the above. Very sad. Interesting that not much of the media showed any of that neither we heard any thing about it in US news. Since we are the champion of Human Rights I wonder why our goverment was quite? Why didn't we say a word about all those killings?




    Second thing they wants to do is to takethe kashmir back, by making lots of noise regarding pakistan beeing the terrorists coutnry who sends terrorists in their kashmir. They saw what US can do to Afghanistan and what Israel can do Palestanian and they are thinking that they can do the same. But there is a slight problem there, Neither India is USA nor Pakistan is Afghanistan. So it is more of a cat fight, Two cats growling untill one runs away. Now both countries are stupid enough to go for a war but not a full scale war. I think in the end they want another country to intervene and resolve the issue. There is lot more going on besides the war. It is long term plan also. Involving USA, China, India etc etc.
     
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    You've got to wonder if rogue elements of the Pakistani ISI is behind some this as an attempt to get US forces out of the area. Or if the continued presence of US troops in Pakistan guarantees that India is just sabre rattling and that war, if it does come, will be limited to the Kashmir region. :bugeye:
     
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    Its going to be very interesting in the next few months to see how this all unfolds. Pakistan is the United States new best friend, yet we are also friends with India. China has been friends with Pakistan for some time, selling weapons to them. Russia has been friends with India for a long time as well. India and Pakistan hate each other, Russian and China hate each other, the United States likes all of them and they probably dont like us either but pretend they do.

    All the news stories coming out of the region are sad, but I have to wonder how much is factual and how much is just propoganda to get international sympathy. Interesting times we live in.
     
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    Indian warships are now on the move. Not good.
     
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    Where is OBL and his troops?

    Pakistan occupied Kashmir.

    How to smoke him out?

    Start the smoking process in the area before sending the US troops.
     
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    And you have been told by ??? Or did you asume that?

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    December 27, 2001 - Indian police verify reports that a group of al Qaeda members led by a close associate of Osama bin Laden entered Kashmir. (cnn.com)

    However, it was the bombings in August 1998 of the US Embassies in Kenya and Tanzania that killed 220 people which made Bin Laden a household name in the Muslim world and the West. Just 13 days later, after accusing Bin Laden of perpetrating the attack, the USA retaliated by firing 70 cruise missiles against Bin Laden's camps around Khost and Jalalabad. Several camps which had been handed over by the Taliban to the Arab-Afghans and Pakistani radical groups were hit. The Al Badr camp controlled by Bin Laden and the Khalid bin Walid and Muawia camps run by the Pakistani Harakat ul Ansar were the main targets. Harakat used their camps to train militants for fighting Indian troops in Kashmir. Seven outsiders were killed in the strike -- three Yemenis, two Egyptians, one Saudi and one Turk. Also killed were seven Pakistanis and 20 Afghans. (http://www.public-i.org/excerpts_01_091301.htm)



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    Indian intelligence agencies believe that he is
    hiding in Deosai in Pakistan-occupied Kashmir.
    And the presence of al Qaeda there has brought
    India and Pakistan closer to a conflict

    By R. Prasannan


    They have looked on the cliffs of Bamiyan, in the bunkers of Kandahar and the caves of Paktia. They have high-resolution satellite cameras, the best of thermal imagers, U-2s, SR-71s, drones and other eavesdroppers. Why then haven't the Americans caught Osama bin Laden? "Simple," say some Indian intelligence men, "they have been looking in the wrong places."

    There is no hard fact to confirm it, but many in the Indian security establishment believe that the terror-master is hiding in Kashmir. To be precise, somewhere in the bowl of the Deosai plain between the Zanskar range and the Great Himalayan range perimetered by Astor, Saqma, Gultari and Burzilbai, across the line of control (LoC) from Dras and Matayan. The Deosai plain, situated at a height of 13,000 feet, is about 100 km long.

    If not Osama himself, at least part of his al Qaeda is believed to have reached the area a few days after the September 11 attacks in New York and Washington. Unusual motor and mule transport movements were detected in the region in the days that followed. The Indian Army thought the Pakistanis were preparing for another LoC incursion or militant infiltration, "but nothing of that sort occurred," said an officer. "What then were they doing? It is an area which they were sure that the Americans won't be looking at."

    Afghan refugees arriving in Peshawar a fortnight ago told western journalists and intelligence men about a fleet of tinted-windowed Toyota Land Cruisers driving out of Kandahar a few days after September 11. The drivers were not Afghans, but Arabs. Though a guest of the Taliban, Osama has always surrounded himself with his trusted Arab crack troops of al Qaeda. This led to the suspicion that one of the passengers was Osama.

    Osama's latest video clipping has limestone rock and caverns in the background. This made American geologists infer that the spot was somewhere in Paktia in Afghanistan, close to the Pakistan border. But the video address did not refer to any specific incident of the previous few days, and it is now believed that the tape had been made at Paktia while on transit, many days before its release.

    Soon after President Pervez Musharraf's offer of Pakistan's support to the US in its war on terror, Indian Army signalsmen had intercepted messages from Pakistan-occupied Kashmir (PoK) to Afghani militants in the Valley. The minders were asking the Afghanis on the Indian side to return to PoK, to be escorted into Afghanistan. But four days later there were signals that many would be pushed into the Valley. Indian officials then had believed that the idea was to sanitise PoK of terrorist camps for the benefit of American eyes. Now it is thought that the trainees in PoK camps were only being asked to scramble.

    Subsequently, Indian Army noticed movements in Gultari and some other areas pointing to another Pakistani bid to push militants into the Valley. The vigil on the LoC was upped and, for the first time, the Indian side initiated firing at the slightest signs of infiltration. The firing which began on the day before George Fernandes retook charge of the defence ministry, on October 15, continues, though with small arms.

    The Pak army has a fairly large camp in Gultari which is visible from the famous Tiger Hill, where the fiercest battle of the Kargil war took place. This camp, where 11 Northern Light, 24 Sind, 18 Punjab, 5 Baluch and elements of Khyber Rifles are located, has also been unusually active in the last few weeks.

    How al Qaeda activists, probably with Osama, could have reached the area is a matter of conjecture. There are three major routes from Kandahar to Pakistan. One is the Kandahar-Ghazni-Kabul highway, which runs northeastwards. As one drives up, there are two major forkings, both of which head eastward to a border point some 250 km north of Quetta.

    Al Qaeda presence in the northern areas is said to have caused the recent tensions along the Line of Control. (right) Border Security Force men on guard at Akhnoor

    Yet another route is from Ghazni from where one has to travel southeast, enter Waziristan in Pakistan, near Razmak. From here one can travel to Bannu. From Bannu, the most likely route runs northward into the Trans-Indus Kohistan. There is a road from Chitral, through Shandour pass and Lowari pass and further through Gupis into Gilgit. Jeeps can pass on this road in summer. It was closed because of snowfall only last week.

    From Gilgit there is a road, made motorable in 1980, that forks a few miles east. One arm runs to Bunji, crosses the Zanskar range into Astor and ends a few miles south of Burzilbai. From Burzilbai there is a mule track which has recently been made motorable for jeeps up to Gultari, said an Indian Army officer. The other arm, running parallel to the Indus, goes to Skardu, crosses the Ladakh range, further to Yagho, where it forks again. One goes to Khapalu and Siari and feeds the Siachen brigades of the Pak army. The other turns southward from Yagho, crosses the Ladakh range again, and reaches Olthingthang.

    On the way, from Shirting, there is again a mule track running southwestwards, crossing the Zanskar range into Saqma, past Gangam (where the mutilated bodies of four Indian soldiers were handed over during the Kargil war) and thence to Gultari. This route feeds the Gultari base from Skardu, where Pakistan's Northern Light Infantry is headquartered. This mule track also has recently been made motorable for jeeps.

    The area is actually more inaccessible than some of the known cave networks of Afghanistan, especially during winter. "Unlike Afghanistan, the area is snow-bound," said an officer. "From now till the end of April, they [al Qaeda men] can hide there, without the world knowing about it. There have been no terrorist training camps in the area, but there have been Pakistani army camps and transit points. This route was made use of to supply the Kargil infiltrators at the height of winter."

    The area is at least 70 km away from the LoC and beyond the range of Indian artillery guns. The best of them have a range of 25 km (35 km in the rarefied atmosphere of Siachen).

    Incidentally, the Musharraf government has recently prepared a plan for making the Chitral-Gilgit road good enough for trucks. According to a paper by B. Raman, former additional secretary in the cabinet secretariat who now directs Chennai's Institute for Topical Studies, there is also a plan to provide a shorter route between Astor and Skardu. Says Raman: "During his recent visit to the Northern Areas, his third since October 1999, Musharraf inaugurated work on both these projects."

    Though yet to be confirmed, there have been reports of Osama or his al Qaeda terrorists having been spotted in Hyderabad as well as Kashmir. However, sources in the intelligence community say that the confusion about Hyderabad arose because there is a Hyderabad in Pakistan too. Either Osama's or the Taliban's spokesmen have denied most of the reports that he had declared a jihad on India. The four authenticated interviews he gave before September 11 to the media had nothing on India. All the same, al Qaeda did have financial links with groups like Lashkar-e-Toiba and Jaish-e-Mohammad. In 1999 there were unconfirmed reports that Osama had visited Kashmir. Most of these reports appeared weeks before the visit of the US counter-terrorism team to India on September 17, 1999.

    The recent firing on the LoC is believed to be a manifestation of the tension caused by the presence of al Qaeda members in the Northern Areas. In fact, soon after the end of the Kargil operations, there was tremendous tension in Skardu when the local Baltis opposed the presence of Lashkar-e-Toiba militants (mostly withdrawn from Kargil) among them. Such was the tension that the whole town had to be closed early August 1999.

    Americans infer that Osama's latest video address was from Paktia, while on transit to PoK. (left) An earlier address from an undisclosed location on Al Jazeera TV

    The concern on the Indian side is whether Pakistan, worried about getting caught by the Americans, would push al Qaeda activists into the Indian side of the LoC. The pattern of LoC firing post-September 11 is an indication of this concern. Though it was the infiltration season (Pakistan always sends the last batches of trainees in September before snow clogs the passes), there was no movement in the days after the September 11 attacks. Then there were the intercepts on exfiltration. Next, activities were noticed in the Gultari camp. And then the attempts at infiltration and the firing, which is yet to stop.

    The recent threats and denials by Indian leaders on the hot-pursuit option are believed to be intended to keep Islamabad and its brigades in PoK off their balance. That the Pakistanis got perturbed became evident when Musharraf moved two infantry divisions and an armoured brigade from their reserve positions to opposite Akhnoor and two armoured divisions and one armoured brigade to opposite Ganganagar in Rajasthan. Pakistan genuinely suspects that India may resort to adventurism in Kashmir, at least with the limited aim of destroying the temporarily closed training camps. Pakistan, going by its strategic doctrine of 'Riposte', knows that it may not be able to defend Kashmir in strength and would have to make an armoured counter-thrust in Rajasthan.

    Though India has made it out that its post-Brasstacks doctrine is to push with armour from Rajasthan into Sind, Pakistani analysts consider it strategic deception. They believe that India can, and would, push XV Corps on Skardu-Gilgit to recapture the Northern Areas. They anticipate a brigade-level diversionary attack from Gurais to Gilgit while the main attack would be made by two brigades from Kargil to Skardu, with a supporting attack from Thoise through Khaplu to Skardu.

    The presence of al Qaeda in the Northern Areas, followed by talk of hot pursuit, has indeed brought the two countries closer to a conflict. Is that why the Colin Powells and Donald Rumsfelds are calling at Islamabad and New Delhi every week? The bigger concern is whether the Americans would now enter Kashmir, a prospect unacceptable to both India and Pakistan.



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    Kashmir
    Interview/Aassiyeh Andrabi
    My son will be like Osama

    Aassiyeh Andrabi, chief of Kashmir's most radical women's group, Dukhtarane-Milat, is happy that the US was brought "to its knees by the September attacks". She says that she is against terrorism but justifies the use of force by Muslims to counter "tyranny and repression unleashed by the infidels."

    Married to Jamiat ul Mujahideen commander Muhammad Qasim, she was arrested at Srinagar airport along with her family in 1990. They were released in 1994 and since then, her activities have been covert and behind the veil.

    We belive in jihad for restoring peace. Osama is not a terrorist but a mujahideen. I believe there should be more Osamas

    Aassiyeh, 30, who is always cloaked in a burqa, her hands covered with black gloves and only her eyes revealed to the world, says that she is now grooming her son to be just like Osama.
    Excerpts from an interview:
    Do you think the world is witnessing a clash of civilisations?
    We believe in jihad for restoring peace against terrorism in the world. Osama bin Laden is not a terrorist but a mujahideen. There is a conspiracy to change the concept of jihad into terrorism. I believe there should be more Osamas. I am grooming my son Muhammad bin Qasim to become Osama.

    But don't you think that the concept of jihad and terrorism coincide?
    Take the Palestinian case, 4the Israelis want to force them into submission. Such issues concerning the Muslim's ummah (an ideologically extended Muslim nation) should be solved through jihad. The same applies to Kashmir.

    Al Qaeda recently linked their activities to the liberation of Kashmir.
    We not only welcome al Qaeda but any foreign mujahideen who comes to Kashmir for jihad.

    Pervez Musharraf says that one of the reasons for Pakistan to side with US against Taliban is Kashmir?
    That's not right. Musharraf has his own agenda. We have said that by siding with US, the very ideology of Pakistan's formation has been called into question. What is the benefit to Pakistan if it supports a non-Muslim country against a Muslim state? And yes, if Musharraf continues, where is the guarantee that Kashmiris will also not be ditched like the Taliban. If economic recovery was the reason to support the US, then it would have been better for Musharraf to take to the streets with a begging bowl. He is a traitor.

    If Musharraf is a traitor what about his predecessors?
    The rulers of Pakistan have never been sincere, unlike the people. The worst was Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto. All these leaders have exploited the Kashmir cause for their own means.

    You have been critical of Hurriyat's approach.
    They are desperate to support the policy of the Pakistan government. They have to prove that they are loyal servants to their masters. These shopkeepers have no relation with Islam. They sell tehreek (struggle for freedom) to both India and Pakistan when it suits them.

    There seems to be a confusion over whether the separatist struggle in Kashmir is religious, political or territorial?
    It is purely a religious one. Partition was on the basis of religion. There is a clear hadith clarifying that any Muslim who dies for a cause other than Islam, will go to hell. This is not a war for independence, but a fight for Islam.

    You had supported the recent diktat of Lashkar-e-Jabbar that Muslim women don the purdah.
    We didn't react initially but supported the move later because we deemed it a good thing for the society. Purdah is for the purification of the society and not for suppressing the women or Talibanising Kashmir. But we never support the use of acid for implementing the order. We believe that the core issue, the jihad, should not be affected by such moves.
    Tariq Ahmed/Srinagar

    (http://www.the-week.com/21nov18/cover.htm)
     
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    Is Osama bin Laden in Kashmir?
    Aided by Pakistan's secret services, terrorist mastermind Osama bin Laden has fled to Kashmir, according to an informer who appeared on Italian television network RaiTre.

    The unidentified informer, who appeared on the public television in Rome on Friday, his back to the camera, said bin Laden had left his secret base in the Tora Bora mountain area in eastern Afghanistan on December 12.

    The informer, carrying documents said to be belonging to the Pakistani secret services, also said that 2,000 Al Qaeda men succeeded in fleeing Afghanistan to various places including Kashmir and the breakaway Russian republic of Chechnya.
     
  15. Adam §Þ@ç€ MØnk€¥ Registered Senior Member

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    If not for the possibility of either India or Pakistan nuking everyone in the area, I'd love it if a joint force from the more powerful nations walked in and crushed both India and Pakistan. I'd LOVE it if China completely took over Pakistan.
     
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    The Rediff Interview/ Jammu and Kashmir Director General of Police A K Suri
    'Jaish is part of Osama's strategy to spread terrorism the world over'


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    Jammu and Kashmir Director General of Police A K Suri has commended his men for meeting the terrorist threat on October 1 with determination and discipline. The suicide attack at the state legislature that day left 42 people dead and at least 60 people injured.

    In an exclusive interview with Onkar Singh in Srinagar, Suri said though he does not rule out the threat of increased violence in the coming weeks, be believes the state police and para-military forces are ready to meet the challenge.

    What happened on October 1? How did the terrorists break the security cordon?

    A Tata Sumo belonging to the telecommunication department was seized in downtown Srinagar at 1305 hours by terrorists belonging to Jaish-e-Mohammad. The executive engineer in the vehicle was asked to get down. However, the driver was not allowed to leave. The terrorists went to some locations nearby and picked up explosives. Thereafter, they drove the vehicle towards Jahangir Chowk. We had imposed traffic restrictions as the legislature session was on, to ensure that such attacks do not take place.

    After the session ended, the traffic restrictions were removed. This vehicle went towards the legislature; a few yards before the gate it exploded.

    How did three terrorists enter the legislature building after the explosion?

    According to our investigation, a few minutes before the vehicle exploded, it stopped for a while. Three or four terrorists in police uniform disembarked. After the explosion, taking advantage of the situation, these terrorists managed to get in. No one noticed them because they were in police uniform.

    Is it true they were asking for Chief Minister Dr Farooq Abdullah?

    Yes, this is true. They ran into the building asking, 'Where is the assembly? Where is Dr Farooq Abdullah?' Not knowing the exact location they entered the complex housing offices of the assembly secretariat. They resorted to indiscriminate firing and grenade attacks. Some officials were killed at the gate, others inside because of the firing.

    When did senior police officers reach the spot?

    My senior officers reached the spot within 15 to 20 minutes of the blast. We ensured that we confined the terrorists within the office complex. They were not allowed to move out.

    When did you reach the spot?

    I reached the spot within half an hour. My top priority was to evacuate the top political leadership who were still in the building, including the chairman of the legislative council and the minister of state for home. We had to ensure the safety of a large number of employees also present in the complex. We conducted the evacuation as carefully as possible, ensuring that none was injured in the cross-fire.

    How much time did this process take? What happened to the terrorists inside?

    I guess it took us a little over two hours to bring out all the people from the building, barring, of course, some who we could not reach in time. The terrorists continued to fire and lob grenades, killing innocent people inside the building.

    How much ammunition did they have, considering that they engaged the security forces for a long time?

    Each terrorist carried approximately 30 to 36 grenades. In addition to loaded AK-47 rifles, the terrorists carried three to four magazines. This was enough to engage the security forces for over three hours.

    What did you do once the legislature employees and politicians were evacuated? Why did it take so long to get the terrorists?

    Clearing is a tedious process, and it takes time. We started a room to room search a little after 1715 when the evacuation concluded. Finding that they had no way to escape, around 1815 the terrorists set the building ablaze. They jumped out of the windows, firing at the officers and men blocking their exit. That is when the BSF (Border Security Force) lost two of its men. While one fidayeen (suicide bomber) blew himself up in the car, the other three were killed by the security forces.

    Some legislators said they could have been more terrorists.

    No, this (that there were four terrorists) is the claim made by Jaish-e-Mohammad. This was verified by us after the encounter was over.

    Jaish-e-Mohammad later disowned the attack. Why?

    They had their own compulsions. They had to withdraw their claim because of the flak they were getting from the world. Even the Pakistan government condemned the incident. This is not the first time Jaish-e-Mohammad has withdrawn its claim. They have done it in the past. I am not surprised at their retraction.

    Is it true that Jaish-e-Mohammad has been funded by Osama bin Laden?

    This is true. We have information that the funds for Jaish are coming from bin Laden. To understand this, you must go through the basic structure of the organization. Jaish-e-Mohammad is a creation of Masood Azhar, who was arrested in Srinagar in 1994, released in exchange (in December 1999) for the passengers of hijacked Flight 814 and transported to Kandahar. It is an open secret that he expanded the base of terrorist organizations the world over and has been a close associate of bin Laden.

    Is it true that bin Laden gave large sums of money to Masood Azhar to launch the Jaish-e-Mohammad?

    This is a fact. Jaish is part of Osama's overall strategy to spread terrorism the world over. The funding would naturally come to Jaish from Osama.

    Is it true that bin Laden gave Masood Azhar close to $ 2 million?

    It would be difficult to give you the exact amount, but Osama did give money to Masood Azhar. That is true.

    What is the total strength of Jaish-e-Mohammad?

    The number of terrorists belonging to this organization operating in Kashmir is close to 600 to 700. It has essentially Pakistan-based terrorists. The number of Kashmiris involved in subversive activities could be a bare minimum.

    Which are the other terrorist organizations active in Kashmir?

    Besides Jaish, the other terrorists are the Lashkar-e-Tayiba, Hizbul Mujahideen, Al Badr and some other small outfits who keep coming in from time to time.

    Do you think the American decision not to include these outfits in the State Department list of foreign terrorist organizations is having an adverse impact on Kashmir?

    Decidedly. This has emboldened these organizations, and that is why you see terrorist attacks on the Jammu and Kashmir assembly and other places. The number of terrorist incidents in the valley have suddenly gone up after the Americans released their list which did not contain these outfits.

    Has there been a substantial increase in the number of infiltrators coming to India? Is is true that members of the Taleban are also crossing over to India?

    We have no information about members of the Taleban crossing over to the Indian side. We have no firm statistics about the number of terrorists crossing because this keeps going up and down. But infiltration is going on.

    But you do not rule out members of the Taleban coming over?

    Nothing can be ruled out. If they find themselves under pressure, to save their lives they might look for a safe place anywhere including Kashmir.

    Let me add here that we have taken stock of the law and order situation after the October 1 blast and we have changed our strategy to counter suicide attacks.

    Is it true that security personnel have had some major successes in recent times?

    In the last four months we have accounted for more then 800 terrorists. We have been achieving a lot of successes so far as the killing of militants are concerned.

    What then is the problem?

    The problem is swift replacements (of those killed).

    How would assure you the people of the state that you are on the job, and you would take care of the terrorists?

    I can only assure the people that we are doing our job to the best of our ability. We have the capacity to counter terrorists and account for them.
     
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    More on the conflict: http://www.guardian.co.uk/pakistan/0,2759,180809,00.html

    British diplomats to pull out of Pakistan

    · 150 diplomatic staff to leave
    · Bomb threats to British embassy
    · Visa operations for Pakistan suspended

    Mark Oliver and agencies
    Wednesday May 22, 2002

    More than 160 British diplomatic staff are to be pulled out from Pakistan following several terrorist bomb threats from Islamist militants, it emerged today.
    As tensions between Pakistan and India escalate, the foreign secretary, Jack Straw, said today that many UK diplomats, their staff and families would prepare to leave Pakistan immediately. Around 90 diplomatic personnel will remain.

    Jailed British journalist awaits outcome of hearing

    Jessica Hodgson
    Wednesday May 22, 2002

    The British reporter detained in Pakistan on allegations of spying was today waiting to hear whether he would face any formal charges.
    Amardeep Bassey, 29, the investigations editor of the Birmingham-based Sunday Mercury, is expected to learn later today the outcome of a judicial remand hearing being held in Pakistan's north-west frontier province.

    Bassey was seized on May 10 near the border with Afghanistan. He had travelled to Kabul three weeks before on a Foreign Office media trip with other journalists but was arrested after crossing into Pakistan for "passport irregularities".
     
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    kmguru

    Thanks for posting these. The world is a truly messed up place.
     
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    I hope you are not serious Kmgur, or are you planing to kill me by laughing to death. lol

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    No one I mean No one not even Indians trust their news services lol. And you gave me references from Indian resources?. I mean come on the country that can produce Hi Jacking drama without Hi Jackers.........lol You want me to beleive them? Through out the history Indians and Pakistanis balme each other for any thing that happens in their country. Ask your family in Indian military they will tell you that it is all ISI's fault and ask any Pakistani and they will tell you that it is all RAW. They are seceret services of both country if you don't know.

    Any thing that happens in india will be blamed on pakistan and anything that happened in pakistan will be blamed on Indians. Nothing new here.

    Adam,
    I am with you regarding china taking over pakistan and then china and pakistan taking over India to make one giant super power country.

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    That would be real Asian Dragon.
     
  20. Adam §Þ@ç€ MØnk€¥ Registered Senior Member

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    I've read similar stuff from news agencies from many nations.
     
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    Oh Allah....you gave them eyes but they can not see....
     
  22. Markx Registered Senior Member

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    I can get you pakistani perspective on that. But you might not take it since it will be Pakistani. I understand that Indians and Pakistani don't like each other at all. I don't understand why can't pakistani and indians live in peace. I mean i have seen them living in peace here in USA. Well some still have radical views, you can be good example, but still I think it is possible. Anyways I will wait untill my co-workers will get here and then we will talk about.

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  23. Adam §Þ@ç€ MØnk€¥ Registered Senior Member

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    I think both Pakistani and Indian versions of news in that area are complete bollocks. The fact is these are shit countries who have decided to develop nuclear weapons instead of water supplies, agriculture, health care systems, education, and so on. They both preferred to build nukes and have pissing contests, and now we have two nations of uneducated people stuck under crap governments armed with nukes. Screw 'em both.
     

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