Islam and Suicide Bombers

I fail to see what the problem is here.

Do you mean to say that the fact that

the Palestinians have been refugees for 58 years,

that they have been dislocated from their lands and houses to which they have no right of return and for which they did not receive compensaton,

that they have regular altercations with the IDF (which if Lebanon is anything to go by, are not a minor consideration),

that their houses and orchards are bulldozed on a regular basis,

that their children are picked up and imprisoned by the IDF,

that so many have lost family members or been injured or imprisoned,

that there are instances of abuse and gunfire strafing towards them

that there are constant attacks on infrastructure like hospitals, police stations, sewage, electric, water

that there is systematic starvation of refugees by control of the amount of food let in

that planes fly overhead bombing them or using sonic booms to instill terror

that they are unemployed and unable to feed themselves and their families

ARE ALL INCONSEQUENTIAL?!!!
http://www.iraqwar.org/peacegroups.htm

That the reason they blow themselves up is because they are religious and want to be martyrs!

Frankly, I'm speechless.

 

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And maintained in this status deliberately by the UN and Islamic organizations. How long were there refugees from the partition of British India into Pakistan and India?

And advised to leave Israel in 1948 by other Arab leaders, NOT the Jews. Arabs who stayed in Israel are now citizens.

Who's fault is that when their culture turns Jews into devils?

Mostly lies and propaganda, although these places have been used as bases of operations for militants, who obey no rules of war whatsoever.
http://www.pierrerehov.com/jenin.htm
http://www.pierrerehov.com/hostages.htm

I'm suggesting that these poor arabs have been used by arab organizations for propaganda purposes, their goal being to destroy Israel and the Jews. The means have been the exploitation of an ancient religion. It's sad, really, considering that Jews and Arabs have together been an integral part of many distinctive Middle Eastern cultures.

You should be. Sometimes it is difficult to see through the propaganda.

 

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There were two states and a border.

I did not know this. Why?

Again, why? Are there not Jews in Morocco?

That is the excuse every time, but it is not all propoganda.

http://www.icahd.org/eng/
This is an Israeli Jewish group that reports on the demolitions.

That may be true for many of them who are victims of Hamas, but if we are talking about suicide bombers, remember they are educated frustrated young men who have had prior violent interactions with the IDF and have lost family members. They do not fit the "victim" profile.

Which is why I used exclusively an Israeli Jewish source.

 

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UN partition created two states which the Arabs did not accept.

So they could be maintained as perpetual victims in a ploy to destroy Israel.

Why does anyone need a scapegoat? To concentrate power in the hands of a few, and rob it from the general population.

Perhaps they just needed to get laid.

 

Islamic jurists on suicide bombing:

 

spidergoat:

I wish some sensible guy like you was in charge there.

I just wish they'd stop killing each other, over a piece of land, for God's sake.

Even God has said that if there is no peace in your land, just move.

 

That is the moderate interpretation, extremists make exceptions for self-martyrdom.

 

I doubt they kill themselves, just find desperate patsies to do it for them.

 

Islam like the old polytheist beliefs here in Norway promises a better more exciting life to those who die "fighting for the cause" especially men.

 

Do you have a link for this? There is nothing in the Quran. I'd like to know the source.

 

Amish? Quakers? Baptist?

 

Tibetians?

 

Did you know some Europeans, that happen to be Jewish, live in the actual homes of Palastians who are presently living in a Refugee camp.

I don't know about you, but that's piss me off!

 

Maybe the Houri are actually "white raisins"?



I wonder, when the Dali Lama dies, if the young Tibetans begin suicide bombs on the infrastructure of China – will people then say “Tibetan Buddhism causes people to become suicide bombers!” Just look at how those Tibetan Buddhists prohibit homosexuality. I mean even that Terrorist the Dali Lama said as such ……. [that's true too]



just a diferrent point of view,
MII

 

Btw, spidergoat. Pierre Rehov is a nom de guerre. Who is he really?

 

So you believe that people still live in makeshift camps after almost 50 years? I believe they are kept there for propaganda purposes, and indeed, many tents they ostensibly live in are deserted. They only show up for photo ops.

 

Islam and suicide bombers- what do the female bombers get for blowing themselves up? do they get 72 male virgins?

 

Well that's besides the point.
Some European families moved into other peoples actual homes. Those people were forced out and now live elsewhere (whether it be a camp or a 5 star hotel is besides the point). What right do some Europeans have in forcing someone else out of their home? And then moving right into it?!?!? The gall!
The people that lost their homes should be given their homes back to them.
Wouldn't you agree?
Of course that doesn’t apply to newly built homes - unless they are built on someone’s plot of land.
Surely that’s only fair?

 

Some links:

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,,1838199,00.html

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/06/30/schuster.column/index.html

Listen to an interview:

http://realserver.bu.edu:8080/ramgen/w/b/wbur/herenow/2005/06/hn_0608.rm?start=07:21

 

What makes you think they were forced?