If we can kill fetuses, can we kill retards?

"Yeah, exactly. A retard's got about as much emotion as a cow."

I'm a vegetarian, because I'm aware that cows can feel and show emotions

 

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He's not talking about anyone like that. Just those who are completely incapacitated. Not martial arts capable.

 

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one is in a wheel chair,with only hand and arm movements, i would say that makes him incapacitated, would'nt you.

 

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If he's well enough to do marshal arts, I don't think that Roman is making an arguement about him. I think more along of vegetative states.

 

have you ever seen a smile on the face of a child who is totally retarded,(as you call them) as i mentioned before my son was only 4 years old when we where told he had leaukiemia, he went through a lot for a four year old, but to my supprise, he made a lot of friends in hospital, the first hospital was alder hay. the second was clatterbridge,it was in the second hospitl that we came across this young boy, totally incapacitated, in every way, he was lost in his own world, but my son made friends, he took hold of his wheelchair, and pushed him around the hospital, with my self and his parents in tow,it was only when we came into the relax room that the laughter hit us all, my son and a few other friends were building soft foam up into a tower,then my son took hold of the wheel chair and went to the other side of the room, he then ran as fast as he could and the young boy and him self went crashing head long into the tower, sending them all over the place, the the horror of his parents, but when they appeared, from the mess both were laughing, it was the best sound that had been heard in that room for a while, yes he was a vegetable, but he could still laugh, and he remembered my son and what he had done, the grin and laughter on his face spoke a thousand words, it lit up the hospital, and most of all it gave his parents a boost.

 

Then he wasn't a vegetable, touching as your story may be.

 

If he could laugh and remember(to a point you can prove), he wasn't a vegitable.

 

okay/ but does anyone really know what goes on inside there heads, ok DR's say there is no brain activity, but do they really know?.

 

How is your son Blastoff, did he survive the Leaukaemia?

 

We have the ability to scan the brain and see neural patterns and activity. So if we do a scan and there is no neural activity, we make the assumption that they are not thinking.

I know the brain is a complicated organ that we don't fully understand, but the fact remains that people in this situation don't do anything, and are a burden on their caretakers.

 

Brain dead in USA is not same as Brain dead in Japan, thus recovery is possible, thus Americans slightly less humane?

http://mdn.mainichi-msn.co.jp/national/news/20060726p2a00m0na016000c.html

"Japanese declared 'brain dead' in U.S., Canada make recovery in Japan
Three Japanese people who lost consciousness while they were in the United States and Canada and were declared brain dead by local doctors made recoveries after being flown back to Japan, an insurance company has revealed.

The medium-sized insurance firm reported on the recovery of the three at a recent meeting of the Japanese Society of Travel and Health in Tokyo.

Guidelines for declaring a patient brain dead overseas are not as rigid as in Japan, and an official who reported the incidents warned Japanese overseas to remember that they were in countries with different medical practices. Cases in which treatment was abandoned because of overseas diagnoses were also highlighted in the report.

The report said that between fiscal 2002 and 2005, nine insured Japanese people were hospitalized suffering from strokes and other brain conditions while they were traveling or working in the United States and Canada. Doctors in charge of the patients told the families and local insurance company workers that the patients were brain dead.

However, families of three of the patients were unable to agree to the cessation of treatment and chartered planes to fly them back to Japan. The three received treatment in Japan, and later recovered. The transportation costs, totaling roughly 20 million yen, were covered by insurance.

The six remaining patients were not covered by the necessary insurance to charter flights back to Japan, and the idea of bringing them back was abandoned. They reportedly died overseas.

One of the patients who recovered, a man in his 60s, suffered a stroke in Canada and was hospitalized. He was able to breathe by himself without being attached to an artificial ventilator, but doctors told his family that he was brain dead. In spite of the diagnosis, however, the man regained consciousness one month after his return to Japan and his memory returned.

In Japan, the United States and Canada, patients are not usually deemed brain dead if they are breathing independently, which is vital for life support. The three patients who recovered were not listed as being "brain dead" on their medical certificates. Hospital officials told the Japanese insurance firm that announced the recoveries that insurance firms interpreted death differently, and in order to securely claim medical expenses through insurance, hospitals didn't state whether or not the patients were brain dead.

Medical and insurance systems in the United States differ from those in Japan, and when a patient dies, the treatment immediately prior to their death is sometimes considered to be "wasteful." Because of this, some hospitals apparently abandon treatment at an early stage in order to receive payments from insurance firms.

Hiroyuki Yokota, an assistant professor at Nippon Medical School specializing in emergency medical care, said that the term "brain dead" is the term to use when patients cannot recover, but some doctors overseas apply the term liberally.

"Even under overseas standards, if a person is brain dead, they do not recover. (However), there are cases in the general medical field in the United States and Canada in which 'brain dead' is used to mean that recovery is difficult, and so on," he said. (Mainichi"

new thread on this in free thoughts

 

Theoryofrelativity/ thank you for asking, and yes he is fine he is a 24 year old, working and having a great time.

 

DJ Erock/ you know what they say assumption is the mother of all f**k up's.

 

I registered on this forum for the soul purpose to reply to this thread, that being said i would like to explain my unprovoked opinion:

At the moment, even making fun of a mentally disabled person is one of the most taboo and hated actions one can take. Thus, the thought of killing them is.. well.. unthinkable to many. I how ever stand with many people who believe they are a burden on both the community they surround, and the resources spent on supporting them.

Few people stop to think about the pressure they create when it has been established a mentally challenged person is around. Suddenly you can't say the word "retard" without getting glared at, as opposed to moments earlier you could have casually made a joke with the word retard incorporated in it that people would have laughed at.

Also, if a "retard" stands in your way, (for example, in a narrow passage that cannot be walked around through) your not allowed you to say "move it" or you will be publicy hated, despite the fact that everyone else is thinking the same thing. People have places to go, work to get to, but the most urgent thing a person with autism has to do is probably bug their councilor until they tell them what to do and where to go. If they are old enough to not have a councilor then at best they are probably on their way to be a greeter at walmart...

And of course there is the pressure they create on funding for their needs. Extra money spent on adapting, on learning, on god damn near everything they need more help with and thus require more money and time. Who knows what accomplishments humanity might have made by now with the potential billions they would have saved from not having to pay for "special" education and needs. Who can say how much crimewould decrease if we could increase the money going into homeland security and such?

The fact remains, the world would be a better place without retards destroying our lives...

 

"Destroying our lives"? Retards do not seem to "destroy our lives" beyond inconveinence and maybe some medical costs.

Also, try not to commit acts of near Thread Necromancy. This is dangerously close to resurrecting a dead thread.

 

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Is that all you have to say? An insult? No opinion or anything simply an out right insult... Well, it appears we have some children on this forum...

 

Not a child, just someone sick of hate bait like yours.

 

I think that there exists an incredible amount of retards around the world. As some have pointed out, they are self- sufficient, but are do they deserve the care and resources that they get? In the real world, you eat if you work. Why should some pieces of cabbage get fed and get shelter when thousands of other people who are so much more productive be dying of hunger in the streets? I mean, lets face it, retards are useless. Not all of them, but most. They really just take up space and resources. If it was up to me, they would all be rounded up and gassed quickly and without fuss. It might be a bit drastic, but then again, they would never even find out what was happening. Anything for the better of mankind.