Do you think I'll ever get laid?

Discussion in 'Free Thoughts' started by sderenzi, Aug 2, 2006.

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Do you think I'll ever get laid?

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  2. No

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  3. Maybe

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  4. Who cares!

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  1. Absane Rocket Surgeon Valued Senior Member

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    Well the fight has little to do with physical strength. The point of my example was that whether or not you actually like the guy that wins, you look down upon the guy that loses. Why did he lose? He is weak... mentally and/or physically.

    Do you prefer a 6-pack or a flat stomach (I am trying to ask this in a way to level the playing field. I am sure you are more likely to date a guy with a 6-pack versus a huge beer belly)?

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    It's funny though that a guy with a 6-pack has more confidence and dominance than a guy with just a flat stomach. I mean, it's just a little extra muscle and low body fat.
     
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  3. Theoryofrelativity Banned Banned

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    I didn't get to see their naked bodies until I was already committed

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    so clearly this was not a deciding factor

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    Personality counts more than a 6 pack. Arrogance, vanity and over confidence are not attractive.

    Meanwhile huge beer belly implies lack of will power and lack of self control, a trait I have already cited is not attractive to me.
     
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  5. Theoryofrelativity Banned Banned

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    Ab re you and your goal to attain the perfect body. If it helps you pull it will only help you pull vacuous vain women who you desire to drop very shortly afterwards. Better to be fit but focused on other qualities to attract a quality female.
     
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  7. Absane Rocket Surgeon Valued Senior Member

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    Well as for the 6-pack thing. I meant to say "all things equal." It's not good science to let multiple things play into a situation and assume that the thing you were really testing makes the difference.

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    Sorry about that. Anyway I know what your answer would be

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    Well I was never looking to obtain the "perfect body." I am merely doing this for myself. No one else. Sure, in the end I will use it to my advantage. Who wouldn't (lol)? However, I am doing this to make up for my past. Most of which involved being picked on. So now it's time for me to rise up the ranks and help the little guy (I'd like to see someone else in my shoes rise up. It'd be great...).

    Anyway just a few minutes ago I did 4 pull ups. Woo hoo! Up 4 from zero about three weeks ago.
     
  8. Theoryofrelativity Banned Banned

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    well done

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    Ab, post a pic of your Abs when you have some

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    (Not that I am interested in such things )
     
  9. Fraggle Rocker Staff Member

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    That can be a really awkward age, so don't feel hopeless. Many women your age are looking for someone a few years older. You might want to hang out with college-age women.
    They can smell that. You need to do some meditation or something like that so you don't define yourself by your virginity and desperation. It's a big turnoff to a lot of women. Men are famous for having only one thing on their minds already. A man who's never gotten it is even worse.
    That doesn't matter, as long as you're not fat.
    That really doesn't matter as much as most people think it does. Guys who are drop-dead handsome get more action, but ordinary looking guys get plenty. Standards of beauty are very individual.
    Like I said, try to not fixate on that. It shows, trust me.
    Yeah, well that goes right along with "never had sex." The hornier you are, the nicer they all seem. If you go around acting like you think all women are hot, that's a real turn-off. Women don't think about sex nearly as much as we do and it's annoying to be around a man who is obviously thinking about it all the time.
    Sixty percent of the people in any town are either married or involved in a relationship. Probably more than that, actually. It would be pretty unusual for almost half the people in a place to be unattached! So don't worry about the statistics. Unless you're in a place like Alaska, there are plenty of available women to go around. You only need one.

    How do you go about meeting women? Where do you go, what kinds of things do you do? If you're not the kind of guy who attracts women's attention everywhere he goes and has to fight them off (and who is?), the best way to meet women is to go to places where you do the things you like to do, and you'll find women there who like to do those things too. It's a painless way to become acquainted, you have a common interest right from the start.

    People are telling you to go to bars and that certainly works for a lot of them. But it doesn't work for everybody. It never worked for me when I was your age. If you feel self-conscious about it, if you feel like you're there just as part of a formula for pickin' up chicks, everyone will be able to sense that and you won't come across as very attractive. That's how it felt to me and the girls stayed far away from me. If bars don't work for you then forget it. Take a class or join a hobby group or go to a flower show or take your dog to the park or just do something that gets you out of the house to a place where people are doing something besides work, school, and taking care of business. There are lots of women in those places. I met one of my girlfriends by going off-road motorcycling out in the desert, so believe me when I say they are literally everywhere.

    If your friends throw parties, that's often a much better venue than bars. There are a lot of similarities but everybody feels more comfortable, and there's usually somebody to introduce their friends to each other, or you just find yourself hanging in the same group because you know the same people. It's not quite the same thing as going out looking to pick up a stranger so it feels more wholesome to a lot of people.
    Have you done a lot of dating? I can't tell from your description if your problem is that women you date don't want to sleep with you, or if your problem is that you're not dating very many women, very often.

    Dating is much more important than having sex because it fulfills a lot more of your human needs, and as a bonus it comes with the built-in advantage that it greatly increases the probability of having sex. It's possible to go to a bar or a party or even a book signing, meet a woman, hit it off, and go home and have sex and maybe never see each other again. Things like that do happen and I'm sure people will pipe up right here on this forum and say it happened to them. But it doesn't happen to most people very often and it doesn't happen to a lot of people at all. I was your age in the 1960s, the start of the Sexual Revolution, and it never happened to me.

    If you are dating and the women you date don't want to sleep with you, that's an interesting problem. Are you too pushy? MTV notwithstanding, most women really don't want to screw you on the first date or even the second and if you try too hard there won't be a third. Does your desperation show through so you look and act like a guy that only has one thing on his mind? That will drive them away. But if all the girls you hook up with simply don't want sex, then maybe you need to relocate.

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    Someone will eventually put a post here suggesting that you go to a prostitute. It will take a lot of the pressure off. But it has its disadvantages, especially in the era of rampant STDs. If you're in a place like Nevada or many European cities where it's legal, licensed, and regulated the risk is lower. Or if you can just afford a really expensive call girl who has a good medical plan. I can't imagine what that's like, but it used to be pretty common back in the old days when "nice girls" really didn't "do it." Sex should involve at least a modicum of feelings, of bonding, of mutual attraction--especially the first time. Doing it with a total stranger for money eliminates that, at least if it's not with one of those high-price babes with the talent to make it a fantasy.

    That said, if you're determined to put a lot of effort into this and not do it the conventional way, come to Washington DC. For a lot of complicated reasons, single, available, heterosexual women outnumber single, available, heterosexual men 3 to 2. You probably won't have any trouble here.

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  10. antifreeze defrosting agent Registered Senior Member

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    appearance does play a part i'm sure, but people who are in good shape feel good about themselves. feel more confident and whatnot, because of the chemicals running through their bodies [i have found one needs to exercise a lot to remain in "good shape"]. make of that what you will... and as far as vacuous goes, if the stated goal is getting laid, vacuous and fickle w/ a great body fits the bill.

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  11. antifreeze defrosting agent Registered Senior Member

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    speaking from personal experience?

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  12. Absane Rocket Surgeon Valued Senior Member

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    Well I got abs. However, like most people I have a layer of fat covering them. However if I flex them, you can definetly see them coming through the fat. But because of this, it looks like I have a long 3-pack. I probably have to drop about 2 pounds of fat in that area.. but to do that I need to drop about 10 pounds over all (since you cannot spot-reduce). I'll worry about that about 6 months from now (as you cannot avoid packing on muscle without packing on fat.. just as the professional bodybuilders). Remind me then

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  13. Fraggle Rocker Staff Member

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    No. Like I said, not even back in the 60s when the Beatles were telling us it's ok to "do it in the road." Sex on the first date a few times, but never with a stranger.
     
  14. Bowser Namaste Valued Senior Member

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    That song was asking a question and making a statement. Or so I have read.
     
  15. sderenzi Banned Banned

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    Honestly I have no friends at all, not around here anyways. I've been on antidepressants because I've been so lonely for so very long. I'm not trying to make excuses but if anyone, anything had shown interest in me at all aside from insulting me personally maybe I'd feel alot less worried about woman or social things overall.

    As it stands I'm 25, had the final date of my life in High School where I did manage to kiss a girl but only after asking her, an then she said "Wow you're a good kisser". Funny thing was she was the first girl I ever kissed an the last. To bad I can't put that to the test with other woman ehh?

    I really don't date, how can I when no woman seem to even have interest in me. I'll admitt I'm a Star Trek fan but right now I am more interested in just meeting a girl an getting to know her. I like Anime, Origami, Science Fiction, stuff like that. I enjoy computers (but would take a girl over it anyday).

    Basically I'm a nice guy with no life that can't get one because woman don't want him!
     
  16. Absane Rocket Surgeon Valued Senior Member

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    Do you go to conventions? I don't want to hear the Star Trek convention/geek/nerd connection jokes. The fact of the matter is: he shouldn't have to change his interests to meet the girl he wants. Hang out at hobby stores that are centered around this kind of stuff. I do something similar... I hang out at Barnes and Noble at lot. I have the opportunity to meet a lot of people. I don't sit at home all day.

    Where do you work? Get a job at a game store. Spending 40 hours a week working in the backroom of some store doesn't afford you as many opportunities as does working with different people all day.

    Or what you could do is pick up books about the kinds of qualities you wish you had. I for one am picking up lots of books on body building and exerercise. On the side I keep up my normal interests such as mathematics and human pyschology. Read books on sex. You'll find lots of people spend too much time talking about sex (at least with the people I hang around with). It sucks to sit on the side lines, eh? Learn a bunch of things and share your knowledge. If you must, speak of these things you know like you got knowledge about it from your own experience. Though, this will probably work around people you never met before. It's hard to pull it off around people you already know... as they will know you are lying.
     
  17. antifreeze defrosting agent Registered Senior Member

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    yeah, the nice guy bit is a problem. as is the not drinking. you probably don't go to the gym, do you? have any hobbies that involve the outdoors? as it seems the interests you list can be indulged in isolation. but maybe you are just going after the wrong type of girl. :bugeye:
     
  18. Fraggle Rocker Staff Member

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    It sounds like your life has been unusually limited since high school. Did you go to a university? I would guess not, because you don't talk like you've had the kinds of experiences that even geeks have in college.
    That can become a death-spiral. The antidepressants may be subtly affecting your spirit so that you may become slightly more introverted and slightly less interesting to others. And the problem becomes worse. I don't know how long you've been taking them but if it's been more than a few months you should check out some of the other approaches to this problem like yoga, meditation or the Emotional Freedom Technique.
    Why do people insult you? What is the nature of their remarks? Do they comment on your personality, your achievements, your social skills, your interests, the way you talk, your religion...? This kind of behavior among peers is pretty unusual after our adolescent hormones stop raging. What reason do these people have for treating you this way instead of simply ignoring you if they don't like you? Do you get off to a bad start with people by always seeming to say things that irritate them when you're just trying to make polite conversation? That's a common problem but there are lots of people who know how to help solve it, just a manner of breaking old habits and understanding other people a bit better.

    Are you from a different community, like a foreign country? It's pretty easy to say the wrong thing when you're not totally familiar with the subtleties of the other person's culture. Foreign people always get along better in big cities. City people are more open-minded and cosmopolitan. They find foreigners charming and interesting, whereas in smaller towns they're not used to them and are afraid of the differences. As a result, immigrants tend to congregate in the cities so the townfolk never get to meet them.

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    That's a line from movies and TV. In real life, it's quite possible to be a bad kisser with someone you aren't very intimate with. Too tense, too aggressive, too sloppy, too awkward, lots of ways. But a "good" kiss is part of the whole experience of intimacy. It feels good because it's a communication of love or at least joyful, consensual lust. A kiss without a proper context can't be very "good." It would be like saying, "This is a good belt," when you haven't got pants with belt loops. How do you know? I think she was just trying to be nice to you, to let you know that she thought you were a good guy. Reinforcing the statement she made about you by saying it was okay to kiss her in the first place, telling you she hadn't made a mistake and was glad. I hope you will always remember her fondly, she was really being very kind and helpful. Sometimes the subtext of a communication is far more important than the text.
    Again, you seem to be living the life of a much younger man. Of course Star Trek conventions are full of grownups and even people my age, but it's just because we've got the money to attend them. To take sci fi that seriously is something you more often encounter in teenagers. Ditto for anime. You need to be patient with yourself because you're not living the part of your life that most people live at your age. I'm not knocking it, almost all of us wish our youth had lasted longer.

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    Origami now, there's an intersting hobby. There are lots of people who love origami. Thousands of origami books, even origami societies and conventions. Do you live in a city big enough to have an origami class somewhere? You'll meet a bunch of people of both sexes who share one of your interests.

    I said it kind of flippantly in my first post, but it's possible that you're just living in the wrong place. I don't know in what manner it's wrong, but from what you say it doesn't seem to host a population containing the people you need to meet. If you live in a big city maybe you need to try a smaller one where people are a little more friendly to each other. If you live in a small one maybe you need to go to a big one where you'll find a whole bunch of people very much like yourself. I know a woman in her 40s who goes to Star Trek conventions, so there are certainly girls your age doing it. You just have to be someplace where you'll run into them. Like a Star Trek convention!

    I don't know if any of my comments are really hitting the mark, but I'm doing my best. I'm one of the oldest people here so I try to be the "elder" and help you young folks out. I certainly know how you feel because I vividly remember feeling that way--but it was at a much younger age, which is what prompted some of my remarks.
    I agree with you that having a woman in your life is essential to having a life. Nonetheless there is more to life than that. You can't let the rest of your life be stagnant because this one important dimension of it isn't right. The other dimensions are important too and if they're not right it will be hard for a woman to see how nice you are. There is a synergy here. If you put more energy into the other aspects of your life, you greatly increase the prospects of meeting new women, women who share some of your interests, and you also greatly increase your attractiveness to them by being a more complete person.

    I'm still concerned about that medication, by the way. You wouldn't be the first person for whom it does more harm than good. These things are wonderful inventions but they don't work the same way on all patients.
     
  19. §outh§tar is feeling caustic Registered Senior Member

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    It seems like you are not selfish/egocentric enough sderenzi. Anything sensual that prostrates you to this degree is a harm.

    To quote Augustine a few times:

    - “Women should not be enlightened or educated in any way. They should, in fact, be segregated as they are the cause of hideous and involuntary erections in holy men.”

    - "I feel that nothing so casts down the manly mind from it's height as the fondling of women and those bodily contacts which belong to the married state."

    A little misogynistic but hopefully you see the real point I'm trying to make. Want something this badly and you're bound to be sorely disappointed. You are more than self sufficient!
     
  20. Tyler Registered Senior Member

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    "Think all woman are hot"

    Well, there's your first problem.
    Why would a girl want someone who's just ready to fuck anything with two legs and no penis?
     
  21. makeshift Registered Senior Member

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    I think you'll get laid, if you're persistent enough. Let's see a picture of you.

    But in response to Fraggle Rocker's concern about the anti-depressants, I can recommend weightlifting and running as an alternative. Especially running (or some kind of intense cardiovascular activity). In one study I read about in my Psych book, it indicated that high cardio exercise at least three times a week can be even more effective than anti-depressant meds. Good for the heart, among other things.

    Bulk up your body. Take pride in something. Maybe confidence will emerge. Confidence should be your goal. Once you're confident and happy with who you are, those other things will likely not matter as much, though you'll be much better equipped to attain them.
     
  22. Teetotaler Registered Senior Member

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    I want to get laid too. I am 21, single, 6'2...140 pounds! A walking, motherfucking skeleton man! I'd be damned if I pay for it. Whatever. This thread has depressed me. Time to, indirectly, get some kittens killed.

    IGGINS!!!
     
  23. Tyler Registered Senior Member

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    here's clue number one...
    get off the internet
     

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