More US " missions accomplished " in Iraq

Sorry I'm not up to the mark in Iran-US relations; have to confess ignorance here.

 

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Ahh thats the whole point of one of my points is the fact that America isnt putting money into rebuilding Iraq , rather the money is being sacrificed elsewhere . the fact that America cant afford Iraq and the fact the EU is not buying Iraqi oil means America is siphoning of this allocated money for security this is the cause of the imploding violence . You see Americans should of thought twice about giving the $415 billion tax cuts for the rich , yopu are dying for these rich rat fucks twice over .

 

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Foley: are you really that dumb?

I think we have our candidate for the First Annual Happeh Award of Internet Debate. Are you available to go to Timbuktu to receive it?

(The statue is cast in gold, and depicts a slouching or leaning man with a hand down his pants and a self-satisfied grin.)

 

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Iraq's implosion is certainly a consequence of lack of funds. Give every Iraqi a hundred thousand dollars and the "insurgency" will be all but gone. It isn't that Bush is not fully funding the effort. He is funding the effort enough to maximize oil profits, at least in the short term. Profit is all he and his wealthiest supporters care about re Iraq. That's all Iraq was ever about.

 

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Yeah, right, he cares! Dontcha know that Bush decided to not release the 500+ WMDs found when he had the report available for a few months during a 25% approval rating because he was too busy focusing on trying to help the Iraqi government? That's outta his own mouth. LoL..

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You are avoiding the debate Geoff I clearly gave an account of why there was no money , full explanations complemented by valid links which verify my claims .

Now I would like a proper answer .

And you GeoffP after posting threads that are anti multi-culturalism and anti immigrant with racist racist links to boot and then telling me after the event that you have a non white wife and non white kids and that you are in fact yourself an immigrant you get ....

The GeoffP own goal award in crass hypocritical stupidity !!!!
The statue is cast in lead and depicts you sitting down with your head between your legs self fellating yourself . Are you available to collect your award from Medicine Hat ?

 

Precisely you speak volumes of truth zanket , the plain fact is that the US counted on the EU to purchase Iraqi oil after the invasion to finance Iraqi reconstruction the plan collapsed . Whats happening is the occupation costs are spiralling even beyond the scope of the greatly increased 2006 US defense budget

. So in order to pay for the occupation money set aside for reconstruction is being taken from money set aside to pay for rebuilding Iraq , and the results of the fact that there are now 70 % thats what is causing the violence .

 

Looky , looky who is calling the kettle black geoff in his endeavour to track me all over the internet joined up an old forum I stopped posting on months agon in order to search for my Anti-Semitic past along with absane and the devil inside .

ROFL

 

Foey's not human......he's a bot.

 

LOL: member was classified as a troll by Foley, who gets to mod the site! No conflict of interest there! I guess Foley's just scared of debate. No surprise. Is it the same GeoffP? Who knows? Better attack now, worry about right and wrong later I guess.

Seriously, how dumb are you? Your own links say it went to security. And you demand some kind of "answer"...to what question?

I'm afraid I demand a response to the fact that your own links illustrate where the money is going, and to why you can't simply confront that fact.

I loved the bit about my supposed racism in contrast to my native American wife. Wow. Slander's all you really have going, eh?

 

Hey I just checked that link: seems that guy wasn't classified as a troll after all. The SFD mod says it was a big accident - which is probably a phrase you're familiar with.

 

Ultimately i don't see the argument here.

Brian on one hand you are strongly opposed to the occupation of Iraq, but you raise the very good point that rebuilding the country isn't cheap. I've seen in many previous threads that you want the US out now and your anti american view is clouding a very good debate. With that opinion you can't possibly be serious about this argument. If the US pull out who's going to pay for the rebuilding? The country will fall into the dark ages and the fledgling democracy will collapse because they cannot afford to build the infrastructure needed not only to support itself, but to appease the people.

Lets ignore for one second the reasons for going to war in the first place.

US and its allies are there, and should remain there until the job is done. And incase you havn't noticed the job is being done. With Al Muthana being handed back to local forces and government control, its a clear sign progress is being made, despite what the doomsayers say

 

SpaceMan,

You bring up so many good points, the realty is some peoples hatred for America (based largely on vivid imagination and propaganda) supercedes their compassion for the Iraqi people. To some the deaths of innocent Iraqi's at the hands of power hungry insurgents is a victory.

 

Thanks Alejandro

I'm certainly not pro american, i have my beefs with them, but no more than many other countries out there. My dad just got back from said province in Iraq and is painting a much better picture than the media, based on first hand accounts over a nearly 8 mth tour. As opposed to a person from the media who constantly seeks out "hot stories" about terrorists and insurgents.

I would take the opinion of my dad over any media report any day.

Also i could be sent to Iraq sometime next year, so i've been keeping up to date on the situation over there with intelligence reports and anything else i can get my hands on.

Its time to face the facts.
1. US and her allies pull out of Iraq within the next month, the country so politically and socially unstable will collapse. The people will become angry that the US has left the country in a bad state. The democracy will collapse and once again turn into a religious dictatorship. It will become a breeding ground for terrorists. Those, without quoting too much and quoting it exactly, are estimates from an unrestricted intelligence report i recieved.
2. US and her allies stay in Iraq. The country is gradually rebuilt, the military is strengthened and she becomes a much more stable environment for the government to rule. Alot of money is spent, time goes by slowly, the Iraq people don't enjoy US occupation but accept the benefits of it.

What would you prefer? 1 or 2?

 

1 is the only option left. Iraq as we knew it (it was NOT a religious dictatorship) is finished. We Americans are performing grisly CPR on the decomposing corpse of a nation that we fatally committed operatory malpractise on 3 years ago.

The only major productive assistance the USA can offer Iraqi victims from here forward are war reparations.

Please give us details of your Dad's encouraging reports, spacemansteve.

 

i really dont know enough of the details to advise, i changed my opinion on this subject several times.

take them out...send more...i dont know.

 

hypewaders:

Here's one story we talked over a few beers the other night (btw he's glad he's back in Australia drinking beer again, got sick and tired of Non Alcoholic budwieser).

When he and a Headquarter contigent went out to speak to a local religious leader and some other community members in Al Mutthana. He attended most of the meeting in which it was discussed that the country is on the right footing, and it just needs more help. They praised the efforts of the japanese in reconstructing the province, building schools and hospitals along with infrastructure like bridges and other things. The main concerns that arose in the meeting were security in the region, the japanese engineers and their impending pull out and the role of Australians after the japanese have gone. All the issues had been resolved (you can check news reports as to how well Al Mutthana has gone) and my dad told me that as they were getting ready to leave, they were presented with several items of clothing (can't remember what kind of dress it was) and were told they were welcome members of the Iraq community. When they left the building there was a gathering of Iraq children interested in the Soldiers and their equipment. Very quickly a game of soccer (football) was organised with the children with the Iraq kids beating the Australians 9 - 0. Very cute if u ask me.

These are stories you'll hear from the Soldiers who are on the ground, who paint a more accurate picture. I won't say that Iraq is a picturesque location and you should take the family there for your next holiday, but things are getting better... the country needs help and after the invasion, thats what they deserve

 

Yes isn't intresting that the U.S. rebuilds the country, we seem to have been doing this since the Spanish American War, and have been getting better at it as time go's along, untill the U.S. came along what did any other country do when they won a war, punish the defeted country with war reperations, and no help recovering from the war.

 

Well, that's interesting Spacemansteve...I still don't say that I'm on side with the invasion, but...well it's back and forth, really. Some good, some bad. That does sound more positive.

I was definitely not on side with the embargo - I remember tellling off some idiot prof and his GS from a local university, explaining to them very carefully how it wasn't going to work, but those gits were raised in the original peaceable kingdom and believed fervently in everything they'd been raised on.

 

ja. it was neat to watch the kids running around with their prosthetics that were paid for with the typical genorosity and openess of spirit that we americans are so famed for. of course we all mourned the loss of most of the kids that day, at halftime, when missile targeting the referee, a know terrorist, exploded, killing civilians and soccerites alike, along with him

i know the iraqis understand that this is for the greater good. when freedom and democracy takes firm root and blossoms in their homeland, they will say in unison, "it was all worth it!"