If someone hates Blacks!

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  1. Communist Hamster Cricetulus griseus leninus Valued Senior Member

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    I read in the Times that people against racism don't so much love all races as hate whites. The same goes for animal rights activists, they don't love animals, they just hate humans.
     
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  3. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    The problem with your thinking here is that you are generalizing; why do you hate all whites?

    You should judge people on an individual basis based on mutual respect. Judging someone for a reason like skin or hair color indicates irrationality as there is no valid basis for your dislike.
     
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  5. nubianconcubine ...observing... Registered Senior Member

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    what if phobic-like behavior is introduced? say a person is traumatized by someone of color. would it be irrational for that person to fear others of that race?
     
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  7. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Is there any evidence of such?

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  8. DeeCee Valued Senior Member

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    So if I hate everybody that makes me a defacto racist?
    Guess I'd be sexist, ageist and down on the disabled to boot.

    Sounds silly to me.
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  9. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    No but you would be lonely, I think
     
  10. G. F. Schleebenhorst England != UK Registered Senior Member

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    Everyone's racist.

    This argument is pretty stupid because everyone does it. It doesn't matter what they say (or are made to say), everyone is inherently racist.

    Adolf Hitler was racist.

    Nelson Mandela is racist.

    Martin Luther King was racist.

    Your grandmother is racist.

    Now let's talk about something else.
     
  11. Fraggle Rocker Staff Member

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    Yes, of course it would be irrational! That's what "irrational" means! If you fear all people of one race because one person of that race harmed you, that's pretty darn irrational.

    However, it doesn't seem to precisely satisfy the dictionary definition of "racism." If you're afraid of an entire class of people, and you admit that your fear is irrational, then I suppose that you're admitting that you don't necessarily believe they are inferior because of their racial characteristics. In which case you're not a racist, you're just a guy who needs a couple of sessions with a good fear therapist.

    But legally you'd probably be lumped in with the racists. If you'd be unable to work in harmony at a company side by side with people of this other race, it doesn't matter to the company whether it's because you hate them or because you have an irrational fear that you haven't worked out. You'd be a disruption to the workplace and they'd be in violation of a number of laws.
     
  12. Alejandro -2 Minutes To Midnight- Registered Senior Member

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    'cmon you really dont know? they would be a miserable bastard. too rapped up in labels (racist) clouds judgement.
     
  13. Fraggle Rocker Staff Member

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    It is not more or less wrong, but equally wrong. Assuming for the sake of argument that the two people who feel the two different types of racism feel them to the same degree, the consequences will be similar.

    If a white person dislikes black people and tries to avoid giving them jobs or other opportunties, that's causing damage to them. If a black person dislikes black people and tries to avoid giving them jobs or other opportunities, that is causing the same damage to them.

    Is is equally wrong.
    Your "right"? If you live in the USA, you fortunately live in a country where the government has not yet figured out a way to punish you for your feelings. So yes, you have a "right" to dislike anyone you want, including whole races of people, for any reason or for no reason.

    But you'd better stop far short of letting your dislike for any race affect your behavior. The government will punish you for treating people unfairly because of their race.

    Naturally, since white heterosexual males have been in power in our Greco-Roman civilization for thousands of years, the laws have been slow to catch up with the possibility of racism against us. So actually, if you hate white heterosexual males and you avoid giving us jobs or other opportunities, you might get away with it. Particularly if you're white yourself.

    In fact, we just lived through about thirty years of that. We Libertarians called it "affirmative discrimination" but in government-speak the term was "affirmative action." We were actually turned down for jobs, housing, school admissions, and other programs in which the government was able to insert its slimy tendrils, in order to increase the percentage of women and other races. I guess the program started to fizzle out before they began to give preference to gays; that would have been a lot of fun to watch concurrently with the resurgence of fundamentalist Christianity.

    You have to take things philosophically and it served a purpose. We white heterosexual males got a taste of what the other people on earth have been living with for a long time. Perhaps it made us wiser. Since it only lasted for one generation we can just write it off as a blip in the timeline.

    I remember the episode of "King of the Hill" when Hank Hill said, "What kind of country is this, where I can only hate a man if he's white?"
     
  14. Alejandro -2 Minutes To Midnight- Registered Senior Member

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    White monopoly on racism is a lie handed down through generations, fostered by those with the mentality of cub scouts sitting around a campfire.

    Schleeberhooorst is right though, to some degree the beast lives inside all of us.

    As far as animal rights activists i would say there is much truth to that satement.
     
  15. one_raven God is a Chinese Whisper Valued Senior Member

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    Alex,
    You are white.
    Do you hate yourself?
     
  16. nubianconcubine ...observing... Registered Senior Member

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    back to the questio i asked earlier...
    is it racist if one group of people can call each other what began as a racial slur but others can't? and why if a black person calls a white person a cracker does nothing happen but if a white person calls a black person a nigger is it bad?
     
  17. one_raven God is a Chinese Whisper Valued Senior Member

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    Calling a black person "Nigger" was always seen as a derogatory term meant solely to demean, oppress and control blacks.
    To take that power away from whites, blacks claimed ownership of the term.
    If your master beats you with a whip, take his whip away from him, and he can no longer beat you, therefore he can no longer be your master.

    Furthermore, “Nigger” is based on the Latin word “Niger”, meaning black.
    Since there is nothing to be ashamed of or embarrassed about in being black, someone calling you black should not be offensive.
    In fact, it can very well be a term of camaraderie - especially when people have a common ground of being oppressed.
    Oppression breeds strength through perseverance. Common oppression breeds camaraderie.
    You are brothers in arms fighting against a common oppressor.

    However, when used by whites with the intention of it being an insult or derogatory term, then it is, of course, wrong because the point was for it to be offensive, so why should they not take offense?
    It all comes down to intention.

    Does that help clear it up?
     
  18. one_raven God is a Chinese Whisper Valued Senior Member

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    By the way, nubianconcubine...
    I am curious.
    Are you a black woman?
     
  19. nubianconcubine ...observing... Registered Senior Member

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    i am mulatto. do you know what that means?

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    and i understand that using any insult with the intent to insult is bad. but what if you have that one token white guy? why can't he say it without risk of trouble? that's what i meant.

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  20. one_raven God is a Chinese Whisper Valued Senior Member

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    Blacks have earned ownership of the term.
    They have paid for it with their suffering.
    Whites, on the other hand, have no right to it.
     
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  21. nubianconcubine ...observing... Registered Senior Member

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    so in essence that one token white guy will never be able to share in the relationship as much as the other black guys because he's white? what i mean is, if only the black guys are allowed to say it to each other it seems it would somehow strengthen the bond between them. prohibiting the white guy from saying it would seem like an exclusion.
     
  22. one_raven God is a Chinese Whisper Valued Senior Member

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    Yes.

    You mean the white guy that hangs out with a group of black guys and wants to be part of the group and have all its privelages, such as referring to the other members of the group as "my nigga"?

    That is a privelage that he has to earn and has to be granted by the group, and often times it is.
    I am white and spent most of my time growing up with blacks.
    They used to always refer to me as "my nigga" but I would never call them that, because I saw it as a sign of disrespect, even though it would have been OK with them.
    I felt I hadn't earned it (see above post) and it would be disrespectful for me to use without having earned the right.
    I considered them brothers, but we were not brothers in arms with regard to that struggle.
     
  23. nubianconcubine ...observing... Registered Senior Member

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    ...i must say i like you and i very much like the way you put that. i have to agree.
    my brother and i grew up as opposite as two siblings can get. i went more toward the retro, outcast, white group while he drifted off toward the thugs and gangstas. however, more times than not, his group of friends accepted me as i was than my friends would accept him. when i look back on it, i find that i think of them with more fondness than i do my own group.
    it was strange at first because there were rules that i had to learn and i railed against them at first. but as time went on i learned them and the structure of the relationships. it's not exactly having to "earn the right". it's learning the rules of engagement.
     
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