The ethnic cleansing of Gaza begins

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  1. Brian Foley REFUSE - RESIST Valued Senior Member

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    Not only by fire-power is Gaza being destroyed ethnic cleansing has many other facets , such as ......
    Starvation in Gaza by the Zionist state unable to break the HAMAS goverment by severing funds and the imposition of an embargoe will now simply starve them into submission . In other words a human catastrophe awaits 2 million completely defenceless palestinian human beings .
    A quote from George Orwells Animal Farm "All animals are equal: but some animals are more equal than others" . To the zionists some humans have more of a right to life than others because of ethnicity or religion .

    And the one country which could stop this , America , what does their goverment think ?
    Dear Palestinians

    I know we said we will support democracy in the world, and the US goverment knows that HAMAS was democratically elected, and we admire and respect that. The cold reality is that Israel HATES Palestinians and because of the powerful and influential Israel lobby in America has told Americans to HATE Palestinians WE Americans are forced to standby and watch you die under the plague of Zionism .

    Yours sincerly
    The US Goverment
    Live powerfully
     
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  3. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    Well, it's a little more complex than that, as you know.

    HAMAS was set up with a specific aim of destroying the Israeli state. Now that it has been elected to government legitimately, it still refuses to recognise Israel as a legitimate state.

    The question of humanitarian aid to the Palestinian people is a separate one, of course, and that is gradually being sorted.
     
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  5. Billy T Use Sugar Cane Alcohol car Fuel Valued Senior Member

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    True.
    However, while the world discusses this "question," mal-nourished Kids are still dying in Palestine’s hospitals for lack of even such basics as re-hydration fluids. This is elevating the already high (approximately 20 to 1) "kid kill ratio" in Israel's favor.
     
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  7. crazy151drinker Registered Senior Member

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    Wow all these poor palastinians starving and yet HAMAS (which is supposed to care for its people) will not recognise Isreal as a legitimate state. Maybe if HAMAS stopped saying it wanted to destroy Isreal then they would get their money and Palastinians wouldnt starve. Talk about biting the hand that feeds you.

    Maybe all the Islamic countries should open up its doors for the poor palastinian refugees. Oh thats right, they dont want them. Maybe Austrailia can start a palastinian immigration policy??
     
  8. Brian Foley REFUSE - RESIST Valued Senior Member

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    Its not complex it is a very simple situation .
    Israel has not and never will recognize a Palestinian state , when the PLO under Arafat recognized the right of Israel to exist this was not reciprocal . The Israeli government undermined the Oslo accords which set about creating a limited Palestinian state . I imagine when Israel recognizes a Palestinian state HAMAS likewise will reciprocate .
    Its not James , we have a popularly determined and elected Government , the eventuation of this HAMAS government came because of a duplicitous Israeli policy of undermining an entire people . The Palestinians will now never back down to Israel , the Palestinians have suffered deprivation since the election in the form of an economic embargo , international political isolation and now these have failed , it will be starvation . but Palestinians will not recognize Israel . You are seeing the last days of Israel we now have 7 million Palestinians inside Israel , in the territories and in refugge camps they all see Palestine as their homeland , the Jewish state has sown its seeds of fate . You can never beat a people .
    Has Israel ever recognised Palestine as a state ?
    Didt Israel destroy the Palestinian state in 1948 ?
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    Maybe if Israel was abolished and given back to the Palestinians as thats where the Palestinians want to be .
     
  9. Alejandro -2 Minutes To Midnight- Registered Senior Member

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    I wont go into details but the cold reality is the controlling or influential "Israel lobby in America" is a figment of your imagination.

    Americans are not "told" to hate Palestinians in any way shape or form.
     
  10. Muslim Immortal Valued Senior Member

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    Why should it? When Israel is an illegal state which is occupying territory which doesn't belong to it?
     
  11. Buffalo Roam Registered Senior Member

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    Because it isn't working? all hamas has done is cause the usless loss of life on both sides, they live on other peoples money and then don't want to listen to reasonable solutions to the problem, and the fact is that there were Jews living in palistine before 1948, and if the arabs hadn't started a war that they then lost, and then refused to allow the palistinians to resettle, but kept them in refuge camps, and if the palistinians hadn't tried to over throw the goverments that let them in, maybe the problem would have been taken care of a long time ago, and it is a fact that over the history of our world populations have been displace from the lands they lived in, in the same way they have displaced the occupants who held the land before them, it is the wheel of life.
     
  12. broadandbeaver 'Now I am become Death Registered Senior Member

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    The the war games begin. I see the end of life as we know it coming just around the corner. People wanna say Israel os right. Hamas is right. Yet this crap just keeps getting worse and worse everyday. Everybody wants to play tuff. Well lets push those buttons kids. Let the nukes fly. The human race is proving day by day what a worthless creation we are.
     
  13. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    Muslim:

    Here, you conflate two separate issues. (1) Israel is a legal state, contrary to what you say. (2) Israel is occupying territory which ought not to belong to it.

    So, you're half right.

    Why should HAMAS recognise Israel? Pragmatic reasons, primarily. They can't avoid having to deal with Israel. That leaves them little alternative.
     
  14. Neildo Gone Registered Senior Member

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    Mmm, Israeli tanks and soldiers on one side of Gaza, and 2,500 Egyptian reinforcements sent to the other side in response..

    - N
     
  15. broadandbeaver 'Now I am become Death Registered Senior Member

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    One of these days - one of these operations...
    That's all it's gonna take. One straw will break the camels back.
    Sooner or later, those in the middle east will meet each other with like force.
    Oh blessed day!!! Oh day of which we are promised!!!
    Yes I wanna see that day...
     
  16. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Believe me , you don't.
     
  17. Neildo Gone Registered Senior Member

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    Israel has just took out bridges and a power station in Gaza. Israel said it's moving it's soldiers into South Gaza now.

    Edit: Israeli tanks and soldiers are now inside Gaza.

    - N
     
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  18. Muslim Immortal Valued Senior Member

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    So in your world that is still OK and cool?
     
  19. Zephyr Humans are ONE Registered Senior Member

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    Is violence ever 'OK and cool'? Sadly it's the likely outcome when neither side will negotiate...
     
  20. Zephyr Humans are ONE Registered Senior Member

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    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5122822.stm

    League of Nations Mandate, not state. West Bank: occupied by Jordan 1948-1967, Israel 1967 on. Gaza: occupied by Egypt 1948-1967, Israel 1967 on. Independent state not yet created under any of these.

    The point of negotiations would be to create a state.
     
  21. Billy T Use Sugar Cane Alcohol car Fuel Valued Senior Member

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    Israel says it is not making collective punishment.

    Can anyone give a definition of "collective punishment" that would make that true?

    "Collective punishment" is against international law, Geneva accords, etc.

    Making 10s of thousands of children without electricity, water, or working toilets, and very limited food would appear to me to be "collective punishment."

    I saw on CNN a few hours ago, a video of donkey-drawn cart, with people on board, going thru a street that had flooded with raw sewage water because the sewage treatment plant’s pumps do not have power. Consequently, as people flush toilets the effluent must be allow to flow out into the street.

    How long is it (assuming not intentionally introduced) until Cholera breaks out with no clean water to drink?
     
  22. madanthonywayne Morning in America Registered Senior Member

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    The Palestinians elected a terrorist government and they're surprised no one is rushing to their aid? Honestly, if the Palestinians want to make any progress they should adopt the tactics of Ghandhi. Israel could not get away with brutality against nonviolent protesters. As it stands, Palestinian is a synonym for terrorist in most people's minds.
     
  23. Hapsburg Hellenistic polytheist Valued Senior Member

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    Israel as a state was established legally, with consent and support from the United Nations. In addition, the territory it occupies do belong to it, by right of conquest.
     

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