Looks as if any western nation is a suitable target? What was Canada's crime? Cutting off aid to Palestine? Gay marriage? ************************************************************************************** Major terror bust in Ontario By GREGORY BONNELL TORONTO (CP) - A series of terrorist attacks plotted against unspecified targets in southern Ontario were "inspired by al-Qaida," a CSIS official said Saturday, adding that the ring of suspects arrested posed a "real and serious" threat. Three tonnes of ammonium nitrate, a commonly used fertilizer used to make explosives, were recovered by police, who say that's three times the amount used in the bombing of a government building in Oklahoma that killed 168 people. "It was their intent to use it for a terrorist attack," RCMP assistant commissioner Mike McDonell told a news conference in Toronto. "If I can put this in context for you, the 1995 bombing of the Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City that killed 168 people was completed with only one tonne of ammonium nitrate." ************************************************************************************** And most of them were Canadian citizens. Read it all. http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Law/2006/06/03/1613034-cp.html
Ah yes the sciforum Stormfronter brings us another story about evil brown and black skinned people . Amazingly even the cops nor the terrorists had any idea what there targets were . Of course the authorities throughout the article speculate what the targets were : Of course these arrests came only from intelligence from America which says to me this reeks of a set up . Of course no mention on how these teenagers were able to aquire 3 tonnes of fertilizer and store it was touched on . Whats the bet these guys end up walking free due to lack of evidence or are quietly released . Ah yes a similar scenario here as Australians will know just before any major bust of acne scarred faces of teenage Middle easterners US intelligence has had a hand in it . In fact if you dig deeper into this story at other sources : It looks that this whole operation grew out from the US . And here is the real reason Geoff posted this so he could get a dig in against brown skinned people and the dangers of them being citizens of white nations .
Of course, of course. Because anyone deemed to be from any specific religious group cannot be guilty of anything; indeed, no one can be guilty of anything. That's the kind of socialism I vote for; of course, of course. Carry on frothing, Foley. If you have nothing to say I suppose screaming racism would be the wisest thing, really. Say, I presume you haven't denounced mountainhare - also apparently known as HH8H on other sites - for his anti-Semitism and Holocaust denial? No, of course not. Apologies. Rather, they haven't told you what the targets were: http://sympaticomsn.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20060603/toronto_arrests_060603 I suppose as long as people are killed it doesn't matter to you what the target was, eh? No, that's what they weren't. Have another read at it, there's a good fellow. LOL - and why do even the likes of you imagine that fertilizer sales are controlled in Canada? I assume you'd have no personal need for it - frankly you seem to produce quite a fair bit of BS on your own - but fertilizer is not restricted in Canada. Moreover, you again deliberately try to decieve the reader by implying that only teenagers were involved (as if they would not be allowed to buy fertilizer!) and willfully ignore the fact that over 2/3 of the people arrested were adults. I might add that surveillance began in 2004, giving them a two years to collect a three tonnes of fertilizer - not a particularly difficult task. Where could they store it? Where could they store it? Tell me, do they really allow you to vote? They won't be. On the other hand, what's the bet that when they aren't you'll slip quietly away from the thread? Your point being? Yes, they were presumably collaborating with al-Qaeda suspects in the US. Ah! We agree! Excellent, excellent! American al-Qaeda connections supporting Canadian fascist colleagues. It's good that we can agree on something. Ah - now here we disagree again. I must admit, I'd never heard that a fertilizer bomb only blows up white people, and I must admit that your argument is rather odd. I presumed the laws of physics applied equally to everyone, irrespective of race or religion. Do you have evidence this isnt so? My point was rather of the dangers of radical ideology, to everyone - and particularly of allowing it to spread. Like yours, for instance. Geoff
So willing to defend Islamic terroist, so willing to convict American Soldiers, Foley you truely are the poster child for biggotry.
Why ? Its has nothing to do with me , your the one taking him to task about it . And I take it you have been searching for him on other forums as well , which means you must also been attempting to follow my forum history . Right and according to your link they just simply ordered 3 tonnes of fertlizer to be delivered to an urban Toronto address and without raisng any suspicion . Im sorry yeah : Acne scarred Late teens to early 20s with dark skins and twitchs . Oh right so this group has been under surveillance for 2 years , so in effect the authorities were well aware of their activities and they just let them aquire 3 tonnes of explosives and simply watched them procure timing devices and detonators and only acted when the US said something ! Yeah right .
Foley your sad. What use does a group of people have for 3 tones of explosives? Plus you cant just go in and arrest some one you have to gt evidence first. Which is why they watched them. And you using race against geoff is a sign you cant argue worth a damn with screaming racist.
Rumsfeld stated quite clearly after 911 that one of the key components of the war on terror would be 'flushing' terrorists out of the bushes. This sounds like instigation, incitement and entrapment. There are likely one or two agent provocateurs, paid handsomely by Csis, safely back in Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia or Pakistan. They will be lost in the mists of time as we, Canada, are subsumed by Amerika.
Were they "brown or black"? Who said that? You? Its a legitime question. Why would anyone want to attack the Canadians? Well I have an answer: Brainwashed cultic twits, that's who.
Yes. I Google searched him. Is there a reason I shouldn't?? I always follow up on Nazis. I assumed as a leftist that you would appreciate the need for that. In fact, it seems my little Nazi-hunt was far, far more successful than even I had imagined. LMAO - and where does it say they just ordered three tonnes to an urban Toronto address? I lived and worked in that area for three years Foley - deep southwest Ontario is an hour and a half drive away maximum from Mississauga. Have you ever even been to SW Ontario? There's a million places and a million ways you could pick up three tonnes of fertilizer. Hell, I feel as though I've seen three tonnes of fertlizer just reading your posts. I don't know what the disclaimers say on those sites you read, but 20-25 does not qualify as "teen", Foley, in Canada or anywhere else. ?? Is this from those other sites you visit again? Are you implying all south Asians are "twitchy"? Clarify, please. Are you not well? If you think carefully - or, indeed, merely think - you might realize that their criminal case would be better prosecuted against these men were there tangible evidence in hand. Which - as the pictures show - there was. I suspect that you don't really understand what's going on here, or don't care, and that this is just another case of reductio ad Foleyam. Geoff
Regrets, it does not. You cannot make any meaningful conclusion in that regard on the evidence to date. You are welcome to believe as you like - and I have no doubt that your seemingly twisted version of leftism allows you to do so - but real leftists are not fooled by your nonsense any more than we are fooled by the right. In other words: real Canadians know the truth. What in the hell do your paranoid fantasies of subsumation and domination by foreign powers have to do with a terrorist plot in Canada? Geoff
Seeing as they were in Southern Ontario and the targets were "unspecified", the intented targets could have been within the U.S. just by driving across the border. Even easier once our borders become opened with this whole immigration deal going on with Mexico making North America the land of the Amero, the North American Union. - N
Neildo, did you not read the article? It very clearly says: targets in southern Ontario. http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Law/2006/06/03/1613034-cp.html Geoff
Yeah but why tell me ? Sometime back you were full of praise of mountainhares intelligence and how far superior his debating skills were to mine , and you were trumpeting his views on immigrants and you guys had been PM ing each other and had come to a understanding which I take is over immigrants what else . And secondly another poster here revealed here you post on other forums posting the same racist shit as you post here . Me I wouldnt bother searching you what racist shit you do post makes me sick enough as it is , so I wouldnt want to read elsewhere . Here is where they order it : And here is where it was sent to a Tornto address : No the police speculated that they were planning attacks in Sothern Ontario . But according to the report these men purhased 3 tonnes which would of been highly suspicious as the follow up story on your link implies . Why didnt they arrest them when they ordered 3 tonnes of fertilizer ? Why didnt they arrest them when they procured the detonators ? This is ridiculous this group was supposedly under surveillance for 2 years and it was an American tip off which sparked the arrests . Just alone having detonators is enough to shove you arse behind bars for a few years .
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What the Fuck are you talking about ? Under the Canadian Anti-Terrorism Act these guys could be locked up simply for expressing ideas sympathetic to Al Qaeda : Read those regulations its air tight , learn something before you write .
I had no idea of MH's position on anything other than the recent debates and his views, while smelling reprehensible, were easily enough brushed under the carpet under the blanket banners of "tolerance", "respect for another's viewpoint", "logical discourse" (he, although apparently a Nazi, has some abilities in that area that you lack utterly) and, to be frank, pity. I don't enjoy beating someone into subservience in a debate. I admit it: I pitied him. As for PMing, he PMed me once, and I PMed him once, and I have no objection whatever to showing that on request. As for why tell you? You asked. A lie - name the poster, the site, and how my remarks constitute racism. If it's how you define it, it isn't racism at all. You bring up this nonsense from time to time, and have never brought any proof. But I understand that: you're not a proof kind of fellow. Slander. Ignored. Your link says nothing at all about where they ordered it from, or what address it was delivered to. I expect people swayed by al-Qaeda's nonsense more than capable of such extraordinary stupidity, but your link has nothing about that. (PS: Try the original article. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! ) I don't doubt that they're that dumb, though. Three tonnes of fertilizer to an urban Toronto address! Well done! LOL. Incidentally, another Canadian poster on here has indicated that he too purchased over a tonne without a problem. SW Ontario is an agricultural belt about 1 1/2 hours from Toronto. Smart terrorists would have collected and hidden the necessary fertilizer there. Stupid terrorists would have had it delivered directly, which you are saying that they did. I agree that it's highly suspicious; that's why they were arrested. Ordering fertilizer is not presently controlled in Canada. First: with the evidence on them, deniability becomes much harder. You appreciate that Canada is in fact - unlike Pakistan, Afghanistan and Saudi Arabia - not a dictatorship, and that due process is enforced? Second: did they even know about the detonators beforehand? Or were they merely collected as part of the arrest? First: detonators alone wouldn't be enough for a decent sentence. You get leverage with additional evidence. Second: where, again, does it show that the cops knew about the detonators beforehand? Geoff
And enterprising lawyers and activist judges could get the entire Act overturned if they pressed the human rights angle. With evidence of actual bombmaking, the Act is protected (since the emphasis is on the overtly criminal charges) - the perpetrators are not. Geoff
Proff ! Sure not a problem : Any queries ? Sorry Geoff me and a few others , especially after you last post with sources to racist xenophobic sites that threaten genocide against people of colour has say destroyed your claims of not being a racist . I never said where they ordered it from I clearly quoted the article at your behest as to these men ordering 3 tonnes . And it it being delivered to a Toronto address : So there it is there these men ordered 3 tonnes and stored it in an highly urban environment . Really then how do you explain this ? Seems to me such sales are regarded with suspicion and are monitored . It does not matter under those anti-terror laws this group could have been shut down and I imagine a number deported , just for having detonators . Well if your article claims this group was under a 2 year surveillance I can take it they would have been monitored procuring them . Besides its immaterial the fact that this group as the article claims was in contact with a Georgia based terror group for training was enough to have them fucked away for a good 20 years , I mean the articles source claims they did terrorist training and if they were under surveillance they could have been nabbed at anytime . Your just surmising , fact is the accusations levelled against this group just that accusations and presupposing . I wouldnt be surprised if 2/3s of this group walks and the other third receive light prison sentences on downgraded charges .
Yes, but they still said they were unspecified targets. Dontcha need to at least have one specified target to know that the targets were gonna be southern Ontario? Just because the perps were aprehended in southern Ontario, it doesn't mean the targets were gonna be there. Heck, look where the 9/11 received flight lessons yet their targets were NY and Maryland. - N
