Utter bollocks! Only a crackpot would believe such nonsense. If that were true, all anti-matter, once coming in contact with matter, would be annihilated. No, it is not just an idea, it is part of a consistent and succesful theory, which you don't appear to be aware. Since you've yet to quantify what exactly those properties you refer; balanced, your whole equation nonsense is exactly that; nonsense. Gibberish. More gibberish masked as an attempt at explaining Newtons laws without understanding them. There are no "requirements" for life to have free will. Ah yes, the fallacy that the universe was created for man. They could deny logic, but wouldn't that be illogical? You have now jumped to the fallacious conclusion that gods exist and that they interact with us. How exactly do gods interact with humans? By what mechanisms do we gain knowledge and understanding? Now you've jumped to a further conclusion that identifies properties and characteristics of gods you claimed existed. Gods have been shown to be cruel and immoral, the very same qualities theists construe as good. The story of Moses is a fairy tale. Those so-called rules were merely religous versions of what mankind had already been practicing for centuries. But if you really want to hear about Moses, read this disgusting account of your god: "And at midnight the LORD killed all the firstborn sons in the land of Egypt, from the firstborn son of Pharaoh, who sat on the throne, to the firstborn son of the captive in the dungeon. Even the firstborn of their livestock were killed. Pharaoh and his officials and all the people of Egypt woke up during the night, and loud wailing was heard throughout the land of Egypt. There was not a single house where someone had not died." (Exodus 12:29-30 NLT) So, you beat your kids because they're ignorant? Is that the theist way of teaching children, with violent abuse, simply because they didn't know any better? You're one sick and twisted puppy. The eradication of religion, for a start. Clearly, because the rules given by Moses failed miserably. Please note the rampant homosexual clerics buggering small boys. Some control, huh? Is that why your god allows thousands of innocent children die of starvation every day? Jesus never suffered and never died if he was the son of god. Nonsense, it has been reason that gives us the ability to find answers and understanding. Silly in the extreme, why build a house for want to live in a hammer? And why would you now contradict your self in saying reason is a useful tool after just asserting reason will hurt us? Please note that only science has ever provided answers that has increased our knowledge. Your conclusions don't follow your argument in the least, all you done is jump to conclusions based on passages from the bible and your own brand of sermons on the mount. You said he suffered and died??? How is that possible? Rubbish.
you just described yourself and all theists wonderfuly, Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! luckily sciforums is a good place to wake up to reality www.infidels.org might do you some good also bible is full of it,heart is only a muscle that pumps blood! Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
Here is somthing for your god speach......if god is absolute (As the bible claims) then that means his traits are absolute aswell. If his mercy, Grace and love are infinite than he can forgive any sin correct? But you also must remeber that his fairness & justice are absolute aswell. Say a christian murders an atheist of course the atheist goes to hell for not kissing gods ass all his life. What happens to the christian when he dies? He goes to haven? The murderer goes to heaven and the victim goes to hell? Were is the fairness in that? Were is the so called justice that god is supposed to have?
************* M*W: You've come to the wrong place, my friend. Prepare to suffer for your beliefs. You have broken forum rules right from the beginning. If you choose to say around, hopefully, you will learn something, because what you propose to teach will fall on many deaf ears. You're welcome to stay, of course, but just be warned that you are in the minority around here. Having said that, there is no god, no savior, and no truth in the bible. If you cannot handle that, then maybe you should go on your merrie way.
If you expect anyone to even remotely consider your assertions then you as the claimer have to provide evidence to your claim that 'God' exists.
Jeez, why is it so important for atheists whether or not God exists?! Why do people reply to religious posts solely to attack beliefs? This IS a religious forum, for Christs sake! The atheists have 12 subforums in which to submit their theories and beliefs, theists have 1. And the fact that there is a subforum called religion justifies theists discussing their theories and beliefs. M*W, you stated theists was a minority in here. Isn't it fair to leave the minority alone? In Norway we have a minority culture called 'samer', way up in the north, where they live pretty much by themselves until they wander off into civilisation. Is it fair that christians wandered in on their property, preaching about God and Jesus, destroyed their altars and attacked their beliefs, (raped and killed, but that's not an argument directed at atheists, just a fact) in order to convert them to christianity? I don't think it is, and this is an aphorism directed at the atheists behaving the way they do on this subforum. Why the need to debate something you clearly have no interrest in, and instead just mock and ridicule? I'm not agreeing to anything the author of this thread said, cause I personally don't support it, but there's no need to be an asshole anyhow.
************* M*W: I quoted fact. It doesn't matter if theists are a minority. What matters is they are unknowing and unlearned. They come to a scientific forum to debate just like they would take a knife to a gunfight. They come unprepared. We seem to go over and over again the same topics. Theists believe that if they make a statement for the 30,000th time, it will be different as in "heard" and "understood." Not so. It's still a waste of time, no matter how many times they say it! Look what they're up against: 1) No god 2) No savior 3) No crucifixion 4) No resurrection 5) No ascension 6) No apostles 7) No truth in the bible 8) No reconciliation 9) No salvation 10)No christianity The truth be told, yet, you still have believers like Jenyar, Okinrus, Adstar, etc. They are blind to the truth. They debate in parables, but they know not of what they speak. Are they the theists? Or, are they the evil ones? You decide.
I don't think you can claim what is Truth and not regarding the list you made in the last post. And neither of us can judge who is the evil ones. I'm just saying have respect, and behave. Make a good vibe. That's for the better whether or not one is a theist or atheist.
And: Listen Illum. In case you've missed the boat somewhere along the line, I'll help you. 1) A religion subforum in a science forum has one of two possible interpretations: a) It was a mistake and the forum operator missed it and will take corrective action soon b) It is there to provide a place to discuss: - The scientific ramifications and relationships of religion for and to society. - The science of human nature that causes a tendency to believe - The history of religious thought and it's effects - The evolutionary selection pressures that generated this tendency - etc. 2) The science minded atheists here also by-and-large see religious thought as a dangerous thing, based on history and human nature, and feel strongly about moving away from it as a species (nicely phrased, I thought. Didn't say fuck or anything). 3) And similar to the above point, many of us see it as even more dangerous when the technological and scientific future of western nations is threatened by religious, umm, extremeists who obtain power positions and try to influence education and policy. I'm sure there are many other motivations out there.
