Star Wars vs Star Trek

They said they expected it vaporized... with no non-vaporized debris larger than a centimeter left.

That's pretty thorough vaporization in practical terms.

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why would you have to learn someone elses phaser?they are all alike.and they have an autofire feature,but no auto aim.


and the jedi are like monks,no sex. and i bet the force knocked up those jedi chicks,or artificial insemination.


and in the maps ive seen of the SW galaxy,only 75% are mapped.and also,mapping 3% in 200 years beats 75% in 25,000 years by more then alot.but they have actualy mapped 8% of the galaxy by TNG era.

SW galactic mapping is piss poor slow compared to trek mapping.


and if you want to see what GT level weaponry looks like when it hits a ship in space,heres some pics for you.[see SDpwnd]

http://www.flickr.com/photos/72609707@N00/

 

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But can he survive an EMP jolt that is designed to knock out ever major and minor power system on a ship. An EMP jolt know to fry computers who make him look like a tinkertoy in comparison.

Only stands to reason he would be completely wiped out and might be rebootable once his systems were repaired. As for La FOrge bventing plasma inside, go right ahead that armor is hermetically sealed, just makes the Stormies job easier.

As for the computer, the Ion cannons has shorted out every powerconduit and exploded any emergency power supplies. The captain can try to type, but with Data out and the Computer practically scrap he doesn't get a chance. As for the ship exploding the Retribution would notice and be damaged, but afterwards there would be a shoot first policy.

Cite: Search for Spock, Battle of Khittomer and Generations the Enterprise is not invulnerable. Besides who said destroyed, disected for study maybe, but hardly destroyed.

 

Okay so they took muliple hits and went down 3 percent so we'll call that .25 percent damage pershot. GCS can take 4 shots before losing shields in in being generous. So the armor is 100 times better than the GCS shields. So the Heavy Turbolaser could penetrate 130,000+ sets of abalative armor. Hmmm, big improvement. Still not enough to save them.

Yes, but you are talking completely different thing here. They'd never get speed up as they would be dragging the ship with them if they could get the warp field working. But then again all SD needs is a seconds notice to completely cripple the Voyager with an ion cannon or destroy her with a Turbolaser.

 

NEITHER STAR TREK nor STAR WARS will even come close.
STARGATEWILL WIN

 

StarGate can't even win for losing man

 

TW Scott: You are blinded by SW faith...

You said laser fire in your discourse; you said nothing about a designed EMP jolt. Can anyone supply evidence of such a weapon? Outside of the GAME Battlefront II, and perhaps inside a canon source where TW likes to keep his arguments?

There's no way to know if Destroyers tractors are advanced enough to prohibit the assembly of warp fields. Only Borg Cubes can do it (anyone know of any other ships that can?). Feds and other folks just don't Warp with tractors on since it's VERY dangerous for the hulls of either. But since Janeway has her ablative armor...well she stands a better chance of surviving and leaving a...ahem...holey Destroyer.

1. Ablative armor is adaptive nanotechnology. The more you hit it, the stronger it learns to become (fair to deduce, as in the same episode after 9%, the Borg weapons ceased to have an effect) And don't forget you're not taking into account the shields have to go down first. Plus the Borg had to scan and adapt even before continuing, something unheard of in SW.
2. You're nitpicking a hypothetical situation. Nitpicking won't help you against modulated phasers and transphasic torpedos against your static shielding and tissue paper armor.

Ion cannons shorting out millions of isolinear chips and circuits BUILT to work in FTL fields? All at once? Really? TSK...guessing my dear TW, guessing. Captain Picard can self-destruct Enterprise in 26 seconds. 25 to talk or type, and a 1 second countdown. On a slow day.

Enterprise is only vulnerable where it suits the writers and the actors. Time to end the series, no more profit, everyone is old. Generations marked the usher in of Enterprise E for the next movie. That's all. Stop being picky. The comment that the Enterprise is invulnerable dependant on budget was supposed to be a "bon mot" (or well a bon sentence). Star Destroyers are just as vulnerable (see ANY movie in which they fall burning out of space, once even with the interference of a dustbin shaped...but very smart

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Just a thought, would love to know the explanation...how do you get a Stormie in and out of a hermetically sealed armor suit? How about how do they breath on the battlefield (since i see no visible airtank, and i've seen no evidence in the movies that there's a hidden one...feel free to reference it if i'm wrong)...

But before you DO go search it, let me save you the trouble: LOOK, body parts are VISIBLE (scroll to see)
CLEARLY the armor is not hermetically sealed. Liquified Stormie. Plus as a bonus...arrows defeating the armored Stormies, yay!

TW: Do you know what hermetic sealing is? :bugeye:


PHASERS:

You didn't reply to my retort on your comments on phasers. Like I said earlier WHO CARES about aiming when the phaser can fire wide beam? See my post earlier. BTW, phasers firing at different angles...absurd! Whatever you might think you see is TV artifact, or optical illusions based on actor hand position and the INTERPOSED graphic of the phaser beam.
At any rate...WHO CARES...if you wanna be right about multiangle emitters dependant on weapon owner, go wide beam if you borrow a phaser!

 

Not faith, hard simple facts. Besides I am a Trekkie, I would root for the Federation but much like NFL Lions fans I will simply be. disappointed

What do you think Ion cannons are, canon by the way. The planet bound ones are more powerful, but the ship board ones are no less capable of totally shutting down a ship. In fact my statistics given earlier were calculated given the 60 Ion Cannons carried by the typical Imperial Star Destroyer. Given that these bolts are thousands of times more powerful than even the strongest shields it is safe to say that they will have an impact.

But you are forgetting it will take at least 2 seconds if not three for them to realize they are tractored and to order a possible warp jump. That is enough time for weapons on the ISD to cycle and then the Voyager is gone or completely powered down.

One shot still equals dead. The ablative armor is cool I admit, but it does not have the power or resistance to meet SW level weaponry. One shot with the TL will come in a reinforce Intrepid shield blow through the armor, shoot through the hull, blow throught the armor again and go out the back shield and keep trucking. It's like trying use a tissue paper against 120mm APDSFSDU round

Okay so shielding that doesn't need to be shut down so you can't find the gaps and armor more than a meter thick and impregnated with (actual)nuetronium is useless? Yeah right. Truth is your phasers won''t even have an appreciable effect on the shields and your torpedoes are only proven to work against Borg defenses.

Actuially more like Ion cannon shutting down powersources and ruinsin power conduits with overload. isolinear chips MAY survive, but with no power are mere fancy dominoes.

Her's the problem with that we are not taking inot account the writers, merely the universe. We are obeying the rules they set down, but we are suspending our disbelief. If this were the real ST and SW universes the Enterprise would be just as vulnerable as the next Federation ship. And to a Federation Ship even the hobbled together Millenium Falcon would seem entirely to much for a GCS to handle on her own.

What do you think that back design is? Besides do you send normal stormies to take a ship or do you send your Space Stormies?

Visuals rules and if widebeam were really and option all the time it would have been used in Nemesis in the hallways. I don't argue it can be used widebeam, but more than likely only as a single shot or it has a problem defeating armor. Eather one poses a huge problem.

 

I notice TW Scott did NOT address the screenshots that clearly show that the armor is NOT infallible. I'll address the rest later, I've new communicators to deploy

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I notice that no-one's mentioned Dune for a while

 

I never said the armor was infallible. We saw gaps in standard Stormtrooper armor. We don't see similiar gaps in Snowtrooper armor. Nor in desert trooper armor, and Space trooper armor would by definition not have those gaps. Not to mention that perhaps they were not anticipating heavy resistance and a few troops did not seal their suit, a viable explanation.

However here's the real reason Geordi would not vent plasma to defend the ship. Too many of his fellow officers and civillians on the ship. Venting plasma throughout the ship, or even just Engineering is just killing his friends and accomplishes nothing in the long run. With over eight thousand ground troops the loss of a few dozen is nothing.

BY the way before you scoff at an arrow consider this/ A simple self bow can be used to completely penetrate most forms of modern body armor. There are even several recorded events of a normal bow used by a human being putting an arrow through a knights leg, through plate barding and into the horse. Now that is three layers of 14 guage steel minimum, a very meaty leg, padding, and horse blanket. All this from more than a hundred yards away. It is not unthinkable a hardy race using a quartz tipped arrow defeated an energy resistant plastic and kevlar underlay.

 

Startrek wins because there are more hours of star trek than star wars. There are more ships in the star trek universe than u see in the 6 movies I have not read any book since they all are writen in size 20 fount with big pichers of aniken and r2-d2. also the death star is sad it takes a hole moon sized pice of crap to blow up a plant but in star trek it take a little torpedo to calpas a star that sun crush ship thing would just get assimilated by the bog speaking of the Borg they think long term so in the end the feds will get assimilated and so will the jedi the force did not help them not get shot in the back by clones. The tng tech manual says that startrek shields are based on a gravametic distortion (what ever that is).

sorry for my spelling

 

I see mars13 got a new sock puppet.

 

if you writing about me than i think your out numbered

 

tw is that like dw

 

Yes by a single twit using ping pong balls and a squirt gun yelling out the "Photon Torpedos", "Phasers" and "Straining impulse engines"

 

I don't see how this is worth my time but the weapons in both startrek and starwars seem to be equally powerful with the exception of the Death Star but it seem like a very inefficient method to blow up a plant.

 

Well I partially agree. The weapons systems on Slave One and NCC 1701-E Enterprise seem about equivalent maybe a slight edge to to the Enterprise. But that is comparing a modified freighter to the SOTA Federation flagship. There is a huge discrepicecy in firepower, shielding, and armor. Of course the Star Wars universe has more than 25,000 years of history as the Republic. It is not close and it is not designed to be. Close would be Babylon 5 and FarScape if you leave Chrichton out of it.

 

I have friends that type like this. Are you from the country and unable to understand what punctuation is???

Also, the Death Star blows up planets, not plants.. And what is a calpas?

Sorry not helping the SW guys here because we all know the greatest.. Dune.. Duh!

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