Star Wars vs Star Trek

Discussion in 'SciFi & Fantasy' started by Pollux V, May 9, 2002.

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Which universe would win?

  1. Star Trek

    227 vote(s)
    35.5%
  2. Star Wars

    268 vote(s)
    41.9%
  3. Spaceballs

    47 vote(s)
    7.3%
  4. Farscape

    12 vote(s)
    1.9%
  5. Dune

    50 vote(s)
    7.8%
  6. Stargate

    36 vote(s)
    5.6%
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  1. mars13 give me liberty Registered Senior Member

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    why would they have mined it? they are not a mining expedition,and nickel-iron asteroids are a dime a dozen.

    this was an immediate threat and had to be destroyed.


    your grasping at straws now.
     
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  3. aristootle Pragmatician, InfinityPhobic Registered Senior Member

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    must be a man-made tsunami conspiracy, yet applied to sci fi film.
     
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  5. Hukka4Life Registered Senior Member

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    Let's see... 20 tons per second, several billion tons of asteroid, about a minute to impact.

    Hm. Not fast enough.

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  7. mars13 give me liberty Registered Senior Member

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    the entire point is that ptorps are in the high MT range.


    and nothing in the sw movies has been shown to be in the low MT range[besides the DS].
     
  8. TW Scott Minister of Technology Registered Senior Member

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    To set up the kind of response they had would have taken 2 hours minimum and it seems like they had at least 12 to 36. If it was nickel iron and they weren't worried about preserving the exact structure they could have been beaming out 25 tons chunks every two seconds in each of the transporters 5 cargo and thre personel.. At the same time they could have been cutting the asteroid to chunks. Without even trying they could have grabbed 720,000 tons in 2 hours. In twelve that would have been 4,320,000. In 36 we're talking 12,960,000 tons of Nickel-Iron. That much raw material would have been worth millions to a civilization which could have went to restocking Voyager with tons of supplies. So I'm not grasping at straws I'm showing how STUPID Starfleet is.
     
  9. mars13 give me liberty Registered Senior Member

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    never mind the antimatter that it would have taken that they couldnt spare VS one ptorp.


    and that civilization was more worried about global annaliation then mining,they looked like they had plenty of iron allready.
     
  10. TW Scott Minister of Technology Registered Senior Member

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    Photon Torpedo 64 megatons canon fact

    Heavy Turbolaser 12.5 gigatons canon fact.

    Galaxy Star Cruiser Shields <600 GW canon fact

    Federation Captains fundamentally overconfident and perhaps dumber than a post (excepting Picard and Sisko) canon fact

    Mars13 ignoring visuals in SW real life fact.
     
  11. mars13 give me liberty Registered Senior Member

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    that 64MTs comes from a NON canon tech manual.


    and that 12.5GT TL comes from a tech manual that is TRUMPED by all six movies.
     
  12. TW Scott Minister of Technology Registered Senior Member

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    no, 64 megatons from approved technical canon tech manual.

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    Or did you forget that ST has multiple levels of canon. There is story canon (shows and movies) and technology canon (Tech Manuals).

    As for the 12.5 gigatons Heavy turbolaser has never been refuted. You have never seen anyone say the weapons were less powerful nor do you see them shoot at anything that didn't vaporize (except other shielded ships)
     
  13. mars13 give me liberty Registered Senior Member

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    no,those xwings didnt have shields,and they just exploded,NOT vaporized.



    and the tech manuals are NOT canon,stop flip flopping kerry.
     
  14. TW Scott Minister of Technology Registered Senior Member

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    So all those lines about deflectors and shields just slipped by you huh? Oh, poor mars13 I didn't know you were deaf.

    Actuually I only switched over when I founf Paramounts position. They hold a few Technical Manuals to be canon. Unlike you I actually can learn form my rare mistakes.

    Besides even with the technical manuals the ST universe does not stand a chance in a war. They aren't meant to either.
     
  15. Enterprise-D I'm back! Warp 8 Mr. Worf! Registered Senior Member

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    So after my little hypothetical description with Voyager, the best TW Scott can come up with is "we have bigger and faster guns, so there!"

    Bigger and faster guns don't matter if you MISS the whole ship! With Paris at the helm and Voyager's maneuverability and cyborg-like computer structure (biological gel packs so that the computer has rudimentary thinking skills), Voyager would be more than a match for "lots of laser fire".

    TW Scott focuses on one ship, the Enterprise-D. All well and good, that's my fav ship anyways. But Trek has so much more strength to reference, from Manheim's time experiments in the first TNG season to DS9 Definant's cloaking device and its class' antimatter warhead to Voyager's ablative armor (final episode) that could withstand multiple Cube fire without flinching.

    Try again...
     
  16. mars13 give me liberty Registered Senior Member

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    dont forget the prometheus and the myriad of other ships in the galaxy.
     
  17. TW Scott Minister of Technology Registered Senior Member

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    A hypotheis is an educated guess and since you were not educated on the true firepower levels your situation was bogus. One hit =Voyager spread across a couple million miles of space and with 120 canons firing and 24 tractor beams locking on the Voyage can't dodge them all.
     
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  18. mars13 give me liberty Registered Senior Member

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    I still dont remember seeing any GT level explosions EVER in any SW movie from anything other then the DS.

    someone should have called lucas and told him about those.
     
  19. TW Scott Minister of Technology Registered Senior Member

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    mars13 you were same guy claiming X-wings had no shields. That jedi get no nookie. That hyperdrive is slow. That hand phasers have automatic aiming. That Occam's Razor does not apply to ST. That blowing an asteroid to man size and bigger chunks is vaporization. That paramount has no say in what is technical canon. You are hardly in a place or position to state anything as factual.
     
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  20. mars13 give me liberty Registered Senior Member

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    1cm is man sized? i guess if all you have to go on is your own ''manhood''[if you could call 1cm manhood].


    and you dont aim hand phasers with your hand?do you aim them with your feet?


    and jedi DO NOT get laid,anikin sold out the entire jedi order for poon tang,they are like monks,no pussy.


    and it took 10 years to map a SMALL portion of the sw galaxy,and only 75% of it is mapped,its obviously not as fast as you wish it was,at least in uncharted space.
     
  21. TW Scott Minister of Technology Registered Senior Member

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    Actually no form the visuals the asteroid was broken up into humansized and larger chunks. They said they expected nothing larger than a cm withich is still not vaporization. Although how your manhood got inot the conversation I have no clue.


    Sorry type, meant automatic aiming, which they obviously do not have, nor do they have sights. So the average soldier thas to train with his weapon for hundreds of hours just to hit the broadside af a barn. No to mention if they pick up someone elses phaser they have to learn that one too.

    No actually they don't get to have Romantic Love. Anakin was hardly a virgin if you go by EU. Not to mention several Jedi womane have had children. Neat trick for not getting laid don't you think.

    Actually at the time of Empire 99% of the galaxy is not only mapped but habital worlds settled. There are not many uncharted starsystems but there are uncharted settlements. Besides it has taken the Federation more than 200 years to map 3% of the galaxy and that was with the help of the vvulacan who had been doing it for thousands of years. So don't go waving your finger when your own mess is worse by several hundred orders of magnitude.
     
  22. Enterprise-D I'm back! Warp 8 Mr. Worf! Registered Senior Member

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    Voyager with ablative armor deployed withstood the continuous fire of three Borg Cubes and lost 3% of whatever cohesion measurement they used for armor, and a small amount of shields (can't remember with the shields, but I guess you can watch the episode). Anyone want to (re)post Borg Cube tech specs? I'm guessing that this means Voyager could hold its own against a Star Destroyer; which by the way does NOT have the Borg's adaptive scanners hence they cannot overcome the armor.

    And do you think Voyager (or any starship) would sit still in a tractor beam? (Or 24?) They'd simply warp out and rip the beam emitters out of their housings (I'll look it up for you if you like; there's a DS9 episode and a Voyager episode where they reference going to Warp while in tractor of a stationary object will have disastrous results...for that stationary object)

    Too bad so sad, take a look at this page:
    Phasers vs Sabers
    with episode screenshots clearly showing that anyone can use a phaser on wide beam and shoot everyone in the room (far less for your broadside of a barn). Not to mention as a bonus addresses the "Saber vs Phaser" or "Force vs Phaser" question.

    Who cares about auto-aiming on a phaser?

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  23. Enterprise-D I'm back! Warp 8 Mr. Worf! Registered Senior Member

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    Oh I forgot to mention since we're on the issue of "hypothesizing". Next time, research on what Mr. Data can withstand, in YOUR hypothetical situation a simple console blowing up knocked him out, and your "lots of firepower" knocked out the Enterprise's redundant failsafe expert system.

    Examples:
    1. Data can withstand heavy settings of directed energy weapons.
    2. Data (a la "First Contact") easily survived in a room flooded with plasma, that would destroy bio-beings.

    This stands therefore to reason that 1. He'd not only survive the console blowing up, he'd 2. take out the mere 6 stormies on the bridge.
    - How bout just me being wicked, LaForge blows plasma into Engineering to murder the stormies in there? I doubt their armor is hermetically sealed, and I don't remember them having personal shields.

    Computer System:

    There's nothing short of destruction that would render the computers unresponsive to Captain Jean Luc Picard. Even if voice recognition was down for some fantastic reason, any working console will receive his commands. So even if the stormies invaded the Enterprise, while they were busy being thrown about by Data, Picard could TYPE IN his auto destruct codes (and taking half the Destroyer in the antimatter destructive reaction), or simply fly the ship into the bridge tower of your Destroyer. I don't think your "Retribution" could take that...


    PS I'm just being generous in granting you the benefit of the doubt that the Enterprise would lose because (canon fact) the Enterprise is never destroyed, until the budget runs out for the series...or until Brent Spiner gets too old to play an ageless android

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