7 stages of creation

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  1. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    1. Possible singularity
    2. Big bang
    3. Early formation of subatomic particles
    4. rapid inflation
    5. formation of stars, galaxies and planets
    6. Life forms on watery planets
    7. humans emerge and talk about all this on the internet
     
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  5. ellion Magician & Exorcist (93) Registered Senior Member

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    does anybodies system contain a cyclic progression, i.e. 0=7 finality stage is equal to pre-formation.
     
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  7. Hipparchia Registered Senior Member

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    Remember in all this I'm assuming this is just a sort of general intellectual exercise for fun. I don't know a great deal about cosmology, but I had five or six divisions off the top of my head. I then did a little reading. (I found the wikipedia article on the Big Bang helpful.) This boosted me to as many as ten.

    My final divisions were based on the idea that the Universe is mainly physics, and so I focused on those changes that made a fundamental physical change. If I was doing it from the standpoint of life, especially intelligent life, and I had to compress this into seven stages, then I would probably merge a couple of the early ones, and expand the last. (Ophiolite has a point, even if he was a bit rude in making it. Although I would divide it even more than he did.)

    To answer a later question, there isn't anything cyclical about this version. I suppose if the whole thing were later to collapse and then expand again that would give you cycles.
     
  8. Hipparchia Registered Senior Member

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    Hello.....anyone there? Ellion? What are your thoughts?
     
  9. Avatar smoking revolver Valued Senior Member

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    why seven? why not six or nine, or one?
    why do it at all?
    was the universe created? or it just changed it's form of manifestation?
     
  10. Ophiolite Valued Senior Member

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    I think he is trying to tie some fanciful New World relationship to the number.
     
  11. ellion Magician & Exorcist (93) Registered Senior Member

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    it is simply an intellectual exerise as you say. i dont know very much at all about science. i hoped i would get some more input that i could pick peoples brains. i was hoping it may have been more fruitful than is. perhaps exercises are not as interesting as arguments for some people here.

    what you did is what i hoped i would get form other people too maybe to compare and come some sort of speculative conclusion. not really sure what to do with what i have got. i dont really want it to be my thread where i have to control the debate by goading people to discuss but thanks for your input.

    there doesnt have to be i was just curios if it could be.
     
  12. ellion Magician & Exorcist (93) Registered Senior Member

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    i epxlained in one of my earlier posts why i was trying to stay to 7 stages.

    and of Oph kind of has it right. the authors of the old testament Genesis where using a seven stage model within the metaphor of the days of creation. my thought was if i could get some back ground on seven distinct stages then maybe i could find a connection and possibly a better understanding of the Days of Creation Myth.

    why do it? why not! food for thought for the who like to ponder and play with ideas and concepts.

    what do you think? are these the only two possible means of existence becoming. could the two be the same thing? could the two be more than two things?
     
  13. ellion Magician & Exorcist (93) Registered Senior Member

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    what is a New World realtionship?

    i think there is an order of progression that exists eternally beyond languages, sciences and methporical expression which may be associated or not with some of the ancients philosophical works. i just wanted to try those assocations to see how comfortably they fit.
     
  14. Mr. G reality.sys Valued Senior Member

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    Reductionism.
     
  15. ellion Magician & Exorcist (93) Registered Senior Member

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    sarcasm ?
     
  16. Archie Registered Senior Member

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    Two things to consider in this 'exercise'.

    One. In Genesis, there are only six stages of Creation. The seventh day was rest.

    Two. The Genesis account was (told) written for people in a late Stone Age, early Bronze Age technology. With that in mind, I would not expect a 'one-to-one' correlation between cosmological history and Genesis.

    A brief look at the Genesis account:

    Day One. Light and Darkness.
    Looks like all the history of the universe is lumped into this one.

    Day Two. Separation of waters.
    I have no idea.

    Day Three. Land and plant life.

    Day Four. Sun and moon.

    Day Five. Animal life in sea and air.

    Day Six. Animal life on land, and humanity.

    Day Seven. God rests.

    This is obviously centered on Earth. I think it just as obvious it is allegorical in nature; plant life on Earth could not have flourished without sunlight and so on. I think it had a great meaning for those early peoples who heard the story. Probably mostly in the knowledge everything was made for a purpose, and the entire universe 'fits' together.

    Certainly, all modern physicists and scientists in general work on the assumption that 'natural laws' are universal; that toilets will flush in a gravitational field anywhere in the universe. That whatever plant life existing in any galaxy requires some form of nutrients and water (or the equivalent).

    However, to attempt to fit our knowledge and understanding of the history of the universe into this format strikes me as artificial. The Bible's message is about God and God's motivations and dealings with mankind. The Bible is not a scientific text.
     
  17. c7ityi_ Registered Senior Member

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    3d cube tetrahedron life spiral

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    four physical forms: 1. matter. 2. vegetative. 3. animal. 4. human

    three more spiritual octaves: 5. genius 6. prophet 7. godman

    seven. reststate. creation stops. circle. consciousness.

    3 (god, 3 in 1, triangle divinity) x 4 (material expression of god, 3+1, square cross) = 12

    zodiac.

    four corners of the earth (four elements)

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    spirit of matter. satan. crucified divine self.

    waters of 'chaos'

    The word χάος (chaos) did not mean "disorder" in classical-period ancient Greece. It meant "the primal emptiness, space".
     
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  18. Semon Howdy, hi and hello. Registered Senior Member

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    1. Take one puppy, roll and play until lightly pampered,
    2. then add the following ingredients.....
    1 cup patience....
    1 cup understanding....
    1 pinch correction....
    1 cup hard work....
    2 cups praise and 1 1/2 cups fun...
    3.Blend well.
    4.Heat with warmth of your heart until raised or until puppy has doubled in size.
    5.Mix with owner until consistency is such that owner

    6.and puppy are one.


    7.Enjoy!
     
  19. domesticated om Stickler for details Valued Senior Member

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    1 would be a stage in and of itself
    2 & 3-- I figured 2 is its own stage because it's a biproduct of of 1, and 3 is it's own stage because the universe was born from a singularity

    I put 5 late in the game after 4 because it's probably not likely that black holes formed at an early stage after expansion from the singularity. How would the matter in the universe continue to exist if there was something destroying it while the universe was relatively young and small?

    6-- I said it was "The universe so far". I figure 6 is what we see through the telescopes nowadays LOL. I can't conceptualize what the 'end' of the universe would be like, or if there is going to be an end.
     
  20. Spread_the_Truth Registered Member

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    7 Steps of Development of Human Life

    The Pleiadians have learned that the Universe that we live in was created out of the original thought of the Creation. The Creation then begin to evolve and think and caused the Universe to exist out of the logic of its thinking.

    The Creation goes through 7 Steps of Development and then evolves into another kind of Universe. The important idea here is that the Creation forms the logic by which all living things developed. Human development then is based on the logic or “Laws” of the Creation itself.

    Following this thinking the Pleiadians have learned that the human being goes through 7 Steps of Development, which corresponds, to the way that the Creation is also evolving.

    The reason for the physical life is to the experience learning through the gathering of information with our senses, and to provide wisdom to our spirit. The Spirit does not die, but lives eternally. Wisdom that is added to our Spirit is carried forward into our next lifetime and is available to us. This is why we all have a different intelligence, aptitude, and why we are all on our own evolution.

    The 7 Steps of Development are listed here to provide some insight into how our development proceeds from level to level. It takes billions of years for us to work our way through all of these levels. The average earthhuman for instance is around 60 to 80 million years old as a spirit form.

    The first 5 levels are physical lifetimes where we gather information mostly with our physical sense, sight, touch, smell, taste and hearing. As we evolve we need our physical senses less and less. Eventually the physical senses no longer can provide us with the things we need to learn and life continues with the spiritual sense being the primary information gatherers. At a certain point the death cycle is no longer needed and we continue as physical being without the need of a “sleep” period. Thousands of years go by as we become less dense physically and more spiritual. Eventually the physical fades away and we are beings of spiritual energy. After millions of more years we merge together as spirits and becomes spiritual beings in a collective soft of way. Eventually our spirits come together with Creation and we share in the role of wisdom that guides the Universe.

    Here are the 7 Steps of Development of Human Life as given to Billy by the Pleiadians.

    1. Primary Life

    1) Primary development of the intellect and the spirit.
    2) Primary thinking of intellect and spirit.
    3) Primary thinking and reasoning
    4) Primary exercise of intellect and spiritual force.
    5) Primary reasonable actions.
    6) Primary thinking caused by development of the will.
    7) Beginning awareness of Reasoning to be used in life.

    Creatures at this level of development are usually thought of as insane of idiots etc. whose spirit and intellect but in truth are still not spiritually developed. (These are new spirits who are just learning to experience life with reasoning and intellect).

    2. Reasoned Life

    1) Primary development of reason
    2) Effective realization of reasoning and its use.
    3) Primary acknowledgement and cognition of higher influences.
    4) Belief of higher influences without specific knowledge of it.
    5) Belief in higher forces. Superstition, fear from evil, veneration of good etc. germinating time for religions etc.
    6) Primary recognition of the real reality. Research positions of the knowledgeable development, first spiritual cognitions and their use. Spiritual curing, telepathy etc.
    7) Primary development of knowledge and wisdom.

    3. Intellectual Life

    1) High development of the intellect. High technologies, second utilization of spiritual forces. Primary creation of living forms.
    2) Realization and exercise of knowledge, truth and wisdom. Slow break up of acceptances of belief.

    This is considered to be the position of educated earthhuman beings, scientist etc.
    3) First utilization of knowledge and wisdom.
    4) Acknowledgement and utilization of nature’s laws. Generation of hyper technologies. Second creation of living forms.
    5) Natural exercise of wisdom and knowledge in cognition of spiritual forces.
    6) Life in knowing about wisdom truth and logic.
    7) Primary cognition (knowledge) of the reality as an absolute

    Present position of some few border and spiritual scientists.

    4. Real Life

    1) Clear knowing about the reality as an absolute
    2) Cognition of spiritual knowledge and spiritual wisdom.
    3) Utilization of the spiritual knowledge and spiritual wisdom
    4) Cognition of the reality of Creation and her laws.
    5) Living from the Creational laws (logic). Purification of the spirit and the intellect. Cognition of the true obligation and force of the spirit. Complete brake down of acceptances of belief.
    6) Aimed and controlled utilization of spiritual forces.
    7) Creation of first life creatures.

    5. Creational Life

    1) Creating and control of living forms.
    2) Construction of machines like living creatures (android types)
    3) Spiritual development of forces for control of material and organic forms of life.
    4) Will conditioned mastering of life and all its form and sorts.
    5) Position of recognitions. Reminiscences to earlier lives etc.
    6) King of Wisdom (Ishwish or IHWH)
    7) Cognition of spiritual peace, of the Universal love and the Creational harmony.

    6. Spiritual Life

    1) Acknowledgement and realization of the spiritual peace, the Universal Love and Creational harmony
    2) Living in pure spiritual forms.
    3) Spiritual creations.
    4) Disembodiment of the spirits from organic matter (You no longer need the death cycle)
    5) First spiritual existence.
    6) Final spiritual existence.
    7) Pass over into Creation

    7. Creations Life

    1) Twilight sleep over seven periods.
    2) Awakening and beginning of creating in the Creation as Creation, during seven periods/eternities.
    3) Creating of living forms.
    4) Creating of new spirits as an improvement of the Creation.
    5) Creating of spiritual greatness in the Creation.
    6) Improvement of the Creation in the Creation.
    7) Last reaching of highest improvement in the seventh period/eternity.

    The Creation goes through 7 steps of awakening and sleep. The Creation will create a Universe that last for 311,040,000,000,000 years before it once again goes into a sleep period. This Creational awake – sleep cycle sets the logic for all life forms in the Universe, which must follow the same laws of existence. During the twilight sleep of the Creation all life and the whole Universe stops to exist. After the sleep state is over, the Creation begins to awake and start a new cycle of life. During the twilight sleep there is no space or time, there is only nothing but the thought of the Creation. While there is no creative thought in existence, so there also is no force, no time and no space, there is only duration in nameless nothing.
     
  21. lixluke Refined Reinvention Valued Senior Member

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    Duh.

    7 Stages of Creation:

    1. Jesus creates light.
    2. Jesus creates heaven.
    3. Jesus creates earth.
    4. Jesus creates heavenly bodies.
    5. Jesus creates animalia.
    6. Jesus creates humans.
    7. Jesus rests.
     
  22. spiritual_spy SN0W_F0X Founder Registered Senior Member

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    Like this...
    1.singularity
    2.Big Bang
    3.Matter and the elements are created
    4.Matter organizes into stars, solar systems, galaxies and other systems
    5.Our solar system forms...Planets begin to take shape
    6.The earth cools and water appears...life begins to arise
    7.Evolution continues and humans appear..
    then stage 8....My twist...Inflation continues...All the stars die....The universe becomes dark...
    or...
    Inflation stops and we all collapse back into a singularity only to start again.
     
  23. valich Registered Senior Member

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    7 would be the advent of Life.
     

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