The US war-starting hoax

Really? You do know that Israel would never let that happen. Also Mahmoud Ahmedinejad said he would wipe Israel off the map, so why wouldn't he be contructing the means to do so?

 

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/Foleyan logic on

Well, they didn't admit they had them, did they? They just threatened with them etc. They didn't actually say they had any.

/Foleyan logic off

...what happened? Did I pass out?

Geoff

 

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Yep, they sure are, they censured Iran for their failures to comply with NPT (NPT - yeah you know me!).

Oh, so you DO admit that Iran is in violation - finally, a Foley that admits something. I'll have to write this one down in my journal next to the "Judas Gospel" under "Significant Events, April 2006".

It worked before, and don't pretend you don't know that, because you visited the site. News sites time out, you know? Like your train of thought, they are impermanent.

Ugh. Pathetic. Sad. Very, very sad. It makes me sad, it's so sad.

I think you mean yourself with that last bit - first Jews weren't a race (when it suited your arguement) then they were so that you could accuse them of racism. Both times I blew you out of the water; once by trashing your Khazar argument and the associated arguments and then the second time when you refused to acknowledge my answers. Before that, I blasted you on the CNN thread with the info on the docs, and now here with the materials misreporting.

The question really is: when are you going to win one? When's it gonna be your time?

There's no contradiction either in my perspective on Iran's trying to get nukes - they've violated the NPT, they've taken documentation related to weapons research - and I still think they'd get nukes in a second if the attention were off. You yourself admit you think they should have them, and they want to destroy Israel. Why woudn't they try to get them?

I guess it must be because they have such an enlightened, top of the 8th-century government.

That hangs abused children and gay people.

Geoff

 

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Does the world inspect Americ's nuclear arsenal and program?

 

Don't they police themselves? I don't think they're increasing the number of warheads, and if they are they should stop. It's kind of a moot point anyway - they already have enough to flatten the earth and kill all life, so I doubt it matters too much. Same goes for the Russians, the Chinese, the Brits and the French. No one is inspecting them either, I'd imagine.

Geoff

 

Vincent, how do you know? Really? Do you have some inside information about them wanting nukes or is it the same information we all have, namely the media?

Too be honest, I'd expect them to have and make them. I pretty much expect every country on the planet to produce nukes. When you have the worlds only super power stating that they have the right to strike any country they feel is against them [you're either with us or against us], and your country is one of those slated for US statehood [forced of course] then protection is you number one goal. If nukes will do the job, then so be it. I personally feel that if Iran had nukes, it would be for defense only but that may matter zip...

 

It's supose to but the United States and Israel have refuse to allow inspection of it nukes and bio weapons. [of course Israel denys having nukes]

 

Fuck Israel ! Who are they ? Israel is the nation that is the unstabilising presence in that region . Israel is a non-entity of a nation consisting of 5 million inhabitants that has be heavily subsidized in order to survive . Since its inception in 1948 the US taxpayer has forked out $1 trillion to Israel Iran is a nation of 60 million people and is a very important economic player to the US , EU , Russia , Japan and China as evidenced by the current bickering . Also Iran is strategically important and Iran is the main nation of the mideast , so why should some shithole like Israel have the ability to have sway over such an important nation such as Iran ?

That was after Israel had threatened airstrikes on Iran , see my earlier post on here to funkstar for the link .
And speaking of megalomania why doesn’t this comment from an actual documented mass murderer and a war criminal with international arrest warrants for him to stand trial at the Hague raise concern ?. This comment from Sharon implies Israeli impunity to act without restraint .

I keep asking several posters who like yourself to show actual proof or where America has actually announced that Iran is actively pursuing an Atomic weapons programme . All it is sheer unfounded speculation based on intelligence which cannot be corroborated and information from the EU and the IEAE as well as Russia which contradicts Americas assertions .

 

Sources?

I've heard of the alleged threats made in various pieces of fiction, but have never been able to verify that there's historical basis for it...

 

To be fair, Israeli policy on the subject is one of deliberate silence.

 

No you clearly claimed the IAEA has come out supporting your stance over Irans supposed Atomic weapons programme , in fact the IAEA has not made an indictment against Iran that implicates Iran in a covert Atomic Weapons programme .

Again your are deliberately avoiding having to answer the question . The IAEA had in 2005 found no evidence that Iran was pursuing a clandestine Atomic weapons programme . This current IAEA investigation is at Americas behest , meaning thje IAEA is simply reconducting the investigation , and will publish the same findings .

I don’t believe this prick , all you have do is google the news story as several media outlets carry the story . No I would like to see that story ,go on get to it ! hurry up google !

We are still waiting on your promise of this :

Blasted what ? I am still waiting for you to provide sources to back your claim .
But on that thread 2 posters voluntarily gave their opinions to how the debate was going :

You lost on all accounts in that thread on the Jewish race thread and here .

You are Fucked in the head here you are blatantly contradicting yourself , game over you lose again .

 

The problem wasn't contradiction in your own position (though you're hardly the most rational of creatures), the point was that your tendency to believe statements on nothing but their own merit (as when Iran says they don't have nuclear weapons aspirations) is a thoroughly silly way to discern truth, as demonstrated when applied to statements that contradict your view.

 

Israel isn't a signatory to the NPT, and thus aren't bound by it.

No, they don't. They deliberately have no official stance on the subject.

 

Iran's in violation. You wanted to know if they ever broke any international laws. They did. They're investigating Iran. Seems they feel exactly the same about Iran's intentions as I do.

And in 2006 they think that Iran might very well have been trying to do that. You've still never explained why they had those weapons-related documents, or where that fissile material went. So now they back me.

The news story, though only a couple of months old, is gone. You've already seen the bloody story, you little liar; you whined about it enough on the CNN thread at the time, when you weren't ducking and covering.

Red herring. Keep waiting; in the meantime, you can answer up about why you were wrong on Iran. And Judaic genetic origins (both threads). Oh and the killings about the cartoons! (Ever hear of Africa? It's a continent to the west of you.)

Wrong again, Foley. You're no geneticist and you don't seem much better a political observer (and show me where I said they "currently" had any nukes). But go on: show me how I lost the argument. Go on. Don't be scared. You were utterly wiped out. Want to start it up again? Fine by me!

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Geoff

 

I like you. I wish I had a way with words like you.

 

Brian, I know you hate Israel, that's not the point. As soon as Israel realizes what's going on in Iran, and the US doesn't do anything, they are likely to attack pre-emptively. They are a small country that cannot afford to let threats build up.

It is consistent with their desires and technological capability, so it is at least realistic to consider.

 

What, Funkstar good with words, Geoff no good with words?!

Geoff hurt. Like ice cream melting, all inside.

Geoff

 

The idiot fest begins .

Okay so could you show me what statements were provided that have contradicted my stance and proven it wrong . Could show me where a world leader other than some crackpot Israeli has actually said that Irans leaders are wanting nuclear weapons . Do it I expect you to back your mouth up here . I want you to enter this debate with me fully and don’t run like the last time and give me some bullshit excuse that you don’t have anytime .

OK so from this IAEA investigation into Iran’s activities what has the IAEA uncovered that they have accused or charged Iran with that has broken international laws .

Ok so show me the link that you claim exists that the IAEA has accused Iran of pursuing Atomic Weapons .

Yes I did I explained in depth here for you .

You’re a liar you put that bogus link that link there thinking I wouldn’t bother reading it .

Explain why Quarkmoon and Neildo would voluntarily interject and say you were losing the debate because I could provide sources to back myself up whereas you couldn’t .

 

it started here:


http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=53959&page=1&pp=20

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aaannnnddd heay:

http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=53921

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No worries mate, I like you too.. you use words sometimes that my altruism wont allow me to.

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Besides your heart is too cold to be melting.