The US war-starting hoax

"Pacifically" state? But of course, the CNN thread postdates those links, and my coup-de-grace link was from the first of February 2006 where the IAEA said:

"Iran's many failures of its obligations ... constitute noncompliance"

Ah, but avoiding safeguards and failing to document possession or usage is illegality (see above). By comparison, could I then avoid telling the government about part of my salary this year? After all, all I'd be doing is failing to report it. It's not as though I'm going to do anything illegal with it, right? I mean, I guess I might be. But it's not as though the evasion of accounting for things is a crime, or indicative of crime, is it?

I mean, it's not as though someone like...I don't know...Al Capone, maybe...was ever imprisoned for something like that.

Best take that comment to your significant other and leave me out of the argument. I hate domestic disputes.

In any event, I am providing. We dealt with the whole issue on the Iranian thread, where your only defense was to turn turtle. The IAEA are on my side, Foley, not yours. That was your benchmark; your benchmark let you fall down and hurt your ego. Too bad.

Was indeed or very likely was? Different things, Foley. Considering that Iran wants to "wipe Israel from the map" it makes me very skeptical of their claims. The evidence mounts and all you can do is whine about ancient history. You saw for yourself - if you even dared click the link - in your thread on CNN that the IAEA had come around to my position. Not really refutable, Foley. Bye-bye now.

(It's funny how because the link has expired he thinks he can get away with pretending it didn't exist...as if I made up the link previously, and all the text, and the comments too.

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Still get a chuckle out of that.)

It's funny, but I find myself wholly indifferent to the claims of a verifiable lunatic.

I note that Morris dancing is an ancient folk dance dating from the 15th century.

Dwarf tossing is of modern Australian invention.

I'll let you decide what seems more ludicrous.

Geoff

 

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Is there a bug going around that attacks people's senses of humour?

In all seriousness, I know (and thankyou Funk) who Mordechai bloody Vanunu is. But I'm afraid that under the strict confines of Foleyan logic that his so-called "evidence" simply doesn't stack up. After all - and I hate to have to remind you - Israel said they don't have nukes, and we must (under Foleyan logic) accept them at their word.

Similarly, if I were to say that you were a mealy-mouthed hangers-on, I'm afraid that would have to be accepted, too.

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Agreed.

Geoff

 

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i say!
this geoffp has the reasoning skills of a retard

 

Spider,
diplomacy? it dont work, it takes the united nations a year to decide what colour toilet paper to use in the toilets the following year.

You forget 2 important things about the united nations china & russia, they will always stop sanctions coming into effect if it helps america or its just doing the right thing.

classic examples, burma, zimbabwe america has been pressing for sanctions for these 2 loony countries, guess what china & russia says no.

If there is a despot or loony country out there they can always count on russia or china's vote in the UN.

Good old mugabe went to china last year for a cash handout, he new china being america's enemy would take his side no matter what mass murders he commits in zimbabwe.

As long as china & russia have permanent seats on the un council, along with america, the uk , & froggy france, the united nations will always be nothing but a talking shop.

So after decades of talking over iran, eventually they will get nukes what then?
do we hope the iranian leaders will eventually develope a brain?


Spider who is buiding the nuke stations in iran russia, who give the north koreans nuclear secrets russia and china, is it a coincident they are both enemies of america.

Let me ask you this in a un-diplomatic world, america says to china & russia for every nuke north korea or iran sends to america, we will send equal nukes to your countries, would china & russia be so quick to encourage these loonies then?

If america is bombed by nukes, it will allow china or russia to try to be the worlds power, which is what they both want, or why else would they be supporting all america's enemies?

 

I say!

I remember you! You're the illiterate who hates Brits!

Geoff

 

So if diplomacy doesn't work, the only alternatives are to wait and see what happens, or start WWIII, maybe that's the Bush plan all along.

 

maybe?
if he can, he will
i say, yes. the sooner the better. do not give the iranians room to backdown

the midterm elections will see the house go to the democrats and they will start impeachment proceedings. it is essential to bush's survival that a new war be started

www 3?
why?
jihaadists exploding bombs in crowded places hardly consists a world war

 

Any fight with a muslim country is not going to start world war 3, china & russia has no interest in muslim countries other than to arm them to fight america, sort of doing there dirty work.

Hey i would be very dissapointed if the uk allowed iran to develope nukes, we cant blame bush all the time, its basic common sense you cant let loonies like iran develope nukes, fuck me north korea has blackmailed billions out of the west over there nuke games, imagine the fun the iranians will have.

The north koreans are not driven by religous fucking mad ideas, they know went to back down.

Iran does not they are on a mission from god to kill the great satan america, and israel, how do you talk to fucking loonies like that, there basket cases, with a ribbon on top...........

 

of course, i really do not see how and why an iranian war should impede an impeachment

 

the ayotollah has the last word. he aint that much of a loon

 

so ahh...you british then?

 

NPT

Since very few of the nuclear weapons states and states using nuclear reactions for energy generation are willing to completely abandon possession of nuclear fuel, the third pillar of the NPT provides other states with the possibility to do the same, but under conditions intended to make it difficult to develop nuclear weapons.

For some states, this third pillar of the NPT, which allows uranium enrichment for fuel reasons, seems to be a major loophole. However the treaty gives every state the inalienable right to use nuclear energy for peaceful purposes, and as the commercially popular light water reactor nuclear power station designs use enriched uranium fuel, it follows that states must be allowed to enrich uranium or purchase it on an international market. Peaceful uranium enrichment can arguably be considered a small step away from developing nuclear warheads, and this can be done by withdrawing from the NPT. No state is known to have successfully constructed a nuclear weapon in secret while subjected to NPT inspection. However, according to many sources, Israel has succeeded in developing over two hundred nuclear warheads without having been questioned or investigated by the UN Security Council.

Iran is a signatory state of the NPT and has recently as of 2006 resumed development of its uranium enrichment program, obstensibly for its civilian nuclear energy program, as it is entitled to do under the terms of the NPT. It has been accused of reactivating this program to covertly develop an independent nuclear weapon program by the United States and European Union, in violation of the NPT. There has been some concern over the possibility of a nuclear armed Iranian state, with specific anxieties raised after controversial remarks made by Iranian president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad about the state of Israel [12].Iran remains under investigation by the International Atomic Energy Agency, who have currently presented no evidence of a nuclear weapons program.

Some argue that Iran's extensive oil and gas reserves cast doubt on the economic viability of purely civilian nuclear power. [citation needed] However modern economic theory holds that the relevant consideration is the "opportunity cost" of oil. The argument is that by burning oil internally, Iran must forgo revenue that would have come from selling the oil. Under this analysis Iran faces essentially the same choice in its oil-use decisions as an oil importer. In addition, some in Iran contend that the state is simply looking for alternative fuel sources, given that most estimates suggest that oil will be exhausted within 100 years.

 

who knows? could be 100 could be 500. if it were 100 Iran could setup nuclear power 75 years from now and have plenty of time to spare given that nuclear power is a known technology.


Duendy,

i've never even been to southern U.S, i think thats what you were alluding to

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...and rednecks dont drink gin, only moonshine.

 

I dunno; do you hate me?

Geoff

 

Iran has no interest in nuclear energy, why else would they be talking to the paki scientist who developed nukes for pakistan, the same guy who supplied north korea with nukes & the same guy who offered libya nukes facts, & the same guy who is under house arrest in pakistan, because he is offering his nuclear weapons secrets to every tom, dick, and harry with a million dollars in there pocket.

The question is the sanity of irans leaders, is it sane to fly a 30 metre square flag of down with america, with bombs falling on america, over the state highway, they have been flying this flag for over 20 years.

Do you think nukes in there hands will make the world safer?

The same country that hangs teenagers, because hey they might be gay, more like a adult muslim try to molest them, got turned down, then he reports them to the religous police for being gay, goodbye young boys.

I am just puzzeled how anyone in this world can think iran is not a insane country, that flag alone is proof of the disease running that country.

Even hitler in all his glory would never have had a flag flying over the highway like that, iran does not hide its insanity, the question is do you chose to see it?

 

The Yom Kippur War threats of 1973 removed all credibility of Israel being able to claim they have no nukes.

- N

 

They could also keep it to sell later, when supplies are low and prices are higher.

 

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I meant in the mideast .

This from an Asshole who thinks Geoff is the greatest debater on sciforums ! Fuck

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Where have I contradicted myself ? Show me .

Then dont read my rants and tirades .

I really have no problem with Iran developing an Atomic Weapon , I believe Iran should develop a Atomic Arsenal that way the mideast can push the Israeli threat into redundancy into and stop American aggression .

The IAEA is not on your side in fact the IAEA has never made any accusation towards Iran that concerns Atomic weapons manufacture .

the IAEA is proceeding with an investigation of Irans nuclear facilities at Americas behest .

Could you provide me with a link that works .

No Geoff you simply chop and change your views to suit your argument on one thread you state Iran is developing Atomic weapons and here you taking a contradictory stance . Same as the Jews were a race and then you change your mind and Jews werent a race .