Explain your education system

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  1. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    From time to time on sciforums, people talk about what courses they did, or what they learned at school, or whatever. When they do so, they sometimes use words like "college" or "K-12" in a way which makes no sense to anybody else outside their own country. Different countries have different educational systems, and different terms.

    So, here's the thread to explain your country's system for the rest of the world. Also, if anybody has questions, get them off your chest here.

    Here's a brief explanation of the system in Australia. More particularly, it's the system in Australia as experienced by me - from New South Wales and/or Victoria. (I don't know what those nutty Western Australians do.)

    We go to pre-school (also called kindergarten), usually at age 4. Proper school starts for most people at age 5. The first year of school is called, confusingly, kindergarten, or sometimes "prep" (for preparatory grade).

    "Primary school" goes for 7 years, from kindergarten, then grades 1 to 6.

    "Secondary school" or "High School" is from grades 7 to 12, which are usually called "Year 8", "Year 12" etc. The last two years of secondary school (in Victoria, at least) are aimed at qualifying for entry to university or other tertiary education. People in Victoria study the Victorian Certificate of Education (VCE) in years 11 and 12, and they get an entry mark called a "tertiary entrance rank" (TER) which determines which courses they can get into at university. In New South Wales, there's a similar certificate, called the "High School Certificate" or HSC, which does the same thing.

    High school is compulsory to year 10. After that, students can either complete the VCE or equivalent to get to university, or can opt for technical and further education (TAFE) at a specialised institution - for example, to learn a trade.

    If you go to university, it's called "university", not "college". In Australia, a "college" is somewhere you might live, I guess like an American "dorm" (Americans, explain yourselves!), but the big place with the lecture theatres is a university.

    An undergraduate degree takes between 3 and 5 years, depending on the course. For example, a science degree would take 3 years. A first year student may be called a "fresher", occasionally, but that's really a term which has been picked up from America. We don't have any "sophomores" or "seniors" or whatever in Australia. We just have first, second and third-years.

    In science, to stick with the same example, after your undergraduate degree, you can opt for an extra "honours" year, which means that you come out with a B.Sc. (Hons.) degree rather than just a B.Sc. Alternatively, you can do a Masters degree, which takes a little longer (about 1.5 - 2 years), which would make you an M.Sc. However, the most common route for aspiring scientists is to do honours, then start a Ph.D. (also known as a "doctorate") straight away. It is possible to do honours, then a Masters, too, or even honours, Masters, then Ph.D.

    A Ph.D. is supposed to take 3 years, but most take a little longer than that. Then you're "Doctor X". In Australia, people never refer to themselves as "Bill X, Ph.D.", like you see so often on American self-help books. It would be "Dr. Bill X."

    Ok, next country!
     
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  3. Pete It's not rocket surgery Registered Senior Member

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    Good idea!

    I'll add that in Queensland, Australia, the beginning of schooling is slightly different, and is about to change.

    Children who are four years old as of 1 January 2006 have the option of attending preschool in that year.
    Children who are five years old at that time must attend Grade One (first year of primary school).

    From 2007, the rules change...
    Children who are 4½ to 5½ years old on 1 Jan 2007 have the option of attending a Preparatory year.
    Children who are 5½ to 6½ years old on 1 Jan 2007 must attend grade one.
    The new preparatory year is 5 full days a week, unlike the 2½ days a week for preschool.

    Another difference in Qld is that secondary starts with year 8, rather than year 7.

    Other points to highlight about the Australian system:
    • Primary and Secondary schooling is compulsory for children under 15 years old.
    • Primary and Secondary school is 6 hours a day (9am to 3pm), five days a week (Monday to Friday), 38(??) weeks a year (February to June, July to December).
    • Year 12 is the last year of school. It's referred to as "Senior" (in Qld, at least), and most people are 17 or 18 years old when they finish school.
    • In tertiary study (university), students are "expected" to dedicate roughly 40 hours a week to their studies, but contact hours (lectures, tutorials, and practicals) might be less than half that time.

    It's been a while since I was at school, and I don't have school-aged kids so I'm not certain about some of those figures...
     
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  5. Facial Valued Senior Member

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    The United States usually has a "K-12" system, broken down into the following

    "Elementary school" K-6th grade (ages 4-12)
    "Middle school" 7th & 8th grades (ages 12-14)
    "High school" 9th-12th grades (ages 14-18)

    I'm not sure if the U.S. specifies compulsory education by the number of years in school. Usually it's required up to the age of 18, and I'm not sure if it entails any amount of years required. Maybe the laws are set for the state level; the 18 and under law applies at least for here in California.

    "College" sometimes called university 1st year 2nd year etc... usually 4 yrs to B.S. or B.A. (ages 18-22,23 typically)
    "Grad school" studies for MS, PhD, MD (or combination as frequently done so in programs) usually takes 4-6 years.

    We hardly use the term 'primary' 'secondary' or 'tertiary' to designate school level, although I've seen the term used in Canada.
     
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  7. CharonZ Registered Senior Member

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    Let's see. In Germany most enter school at age 6 I think. Elementary school is then four years. After that education is usually divided into three different groups:
    1) "Hauptschule" for six years or
    2) "Realschule" for six years or
    3) "Gymnasium" for nine years.
    Only graduates from the Gymnasium can enter University (no "College" in Germany). Sometimes it is possibly to enter "Realschule" coming from "Hauptschule" or entering "Gymnasium" coming from "Realschule", depending on marks.
    Going to school to at least the tenth class is compulsory.

    In university there used to be only graduate (Diploma) and undergraduate (nothing). Depending on area it takes around 4-6 years to get a diploma (most get their diploma at age 25-26). In natural sciences it is usually longer (5-6 sometimes longer) in humanistic sciences it is usually on the lower end. In natural sciences around 0,5-1 year is dedicated to the diploma thesis, which includes experiments and writing.

    Now they have adopted a new Bachelor/Master system. In this system it takes around 3 years to get a bachelor (around age 22) and further 2 years for a masters degree. Due to the change the whole system is now more school-like (as compared to the more practical oriented, self-tutoring style before). Possibly resembling the US system a little bit.

    Usually a Ph.D is only possible after either diploma or master. In some cases bachelors are allowed an probation time of one year and are then evaluated whether to be fit for Ph.D or not (probably rather similar to the honours as described in the above posts).
    In natural sciences Ph.D. is assumed to take three years, but can be significantly longer.
     
  8. duendy Registered Senior Member

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    ok...nonetold here about te crappy british 'education' drill...here goes

    the poor child has to begin the indoctrination at 4-5 at INFANTS school....then this moves onto PRIMARY school, which goes on till 11 years old. then po kid gets shunted to the high rise open prison complex--SECONDARY school....
    now. actually 'secondary' school is not a good term class -wise--asin class middel calss working class...get me. so for example hen i did the PRIMARY school exam the '11 PLUS' ...the 'choie was between 3 types of school:
    secondary--which is where most of thew working class kids went and tose who didn't pass the 11 plus. the bottom. it was the losers school, in the way it is set up--ie, the shitty culture who invents this bolloks

    then you had 'TECHNICAL' school. tis was considered all-right-ish. not exaaaactly a fail...but. could o better

    rhen you have at the near-top of the class-tree, theee 'GRAMMAR school'...noice the reference to grammar. you know speakin all middle clarrrse. knowing english etc. most middle class kids went to that

    then you have the 'COMPREHENSIVE' school whihc is a bit what its like now. where you have got all types togther

    and at the very vewy top, we have 'PUBLIC' schools. tis is really for te fuk off rich
    who can afford to send their golden chillen to Eton etc for pwoper education. learn how to be leaders of men.

    in the ;latter scools the classes are eg., 1st year, 2nd year, 3rd, 4th 5th and then 6th form were--you've guessed it your a 16 year old swot

    then it may be college which is a place for those who didn't get their 'A Levels at school' can do them at college. you have GCSEs and Alevels. the latter are what can get the swots into the 'better' UNiversities......like Oxford, Cambridge, Manchester.....
    when there it is for DEgrees, where you can get 1st Class Honours, or 2nd or 3rd

    then MA, then PHd, then Doctorate, then Professorship..? that's it
     
  9. Azzy42 Registered Senior Member

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    South Africa Education System: *cough* well back before the new goverment chanegd it to its present crappy state. Will probably revert to old system soon anyway.
    Preschool - Grade 7 (ave age of grade 1 is 7)
    Grade 8 - Grade 12
    Our Grade 11 and 12 year is just the final "year" split between two years to prepare for our matric finals. The smarter of us go for the full matriculation and is required to apply for tertiary education at the University level. The stupid ones try qualify for Senior Certificates which gets them into colledges where they get to work with hands and follow less intellectual persuits.
    A post matric level also exists which is on par with the British A level.
    Then the whole system mirrors the Australian system.
     
  10. Roman Banned Banned

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    In Alaska, elementary school starts at age six, not age four.
     
  11. Fraggle Rocker Staff Member

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    In the USA a university by definition must grant:

    Bachelor's (baccalaureate) degrees, normally B.A. or B.S. although you run across a few others, all 4 years
    Master's (magistrum) degrees, mostly M.A. or M.S. but also others such as M.S.W. (Master of Social Work) and M.B.A. (Master of Business Administration), time varies from one year to several, two is typical
    Doctor's degrees, mostly Ph.D. but specialized or very large universities also grant an alphabet-soup of other professional degrees such as M.D., D.D.S. (Doctor of Dental Surgery), J.D. (lawyer, I'm a little fuzzy on the Latin there), time varies from two years to a really big chunk of your life

    A college in the USA can only grant Bachelor's degrees.

    We also have "junior colleges" which are also called "community colleges" and probably other names as well. They only grant two-year degrees, A.A. and A.S., Associate of Arts and Associate of Science. These degrees by themselves have increasingly little value. Today they are more often used as steppingstones to four-year colleges. An Associate Degree, if it represents a wise course of study, can usually count as the equivalent of the first two years at a four-year college or university. People who don't graduate from high school with good enough grades to be accepted at a "good" four-year college or university can usually find a junior college that will take them. If they get good grades there they can usually matriculate into a four-year college or university and start in the third year.
    We older folks, to avoid confusing ourselves, still use the terms in their original sense, from the days before poor four-year-olds were expected to start attending school, kindergarten was optional, and "junior high schools" only existed in big towns. "Primary school" = grades 1-8. "Secondary school" = grades 9-12.

    I did not attend kindergarten, I started school at age six like any normal red-blooded American kid. I got to play for six whole years before I had to work. My "elementary school" or "grade school" had grades 1-8. Seventh and eighth grades resembled high school only to the extent that each class had a distinct teacher. Other than that it was identical to the early grades: We all stayed together in the same room all day, there were no electives, and we shared our campus with the first- through sixth-graders.

    I don't remember if you mentioned "junior high school" or "middle school" as it's often called today. It was originally grades 7-8, then some places experimented with 7-8-9, then back to 7-8, and now I understand that in some places it's 6-7-8.
     
  12. valich Registered Senior Member

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    My education began when I was in my mother's womb: that is when I realized life.

    Then came birth till K-12, then junior high and senior high.

    I worked hard from then on until I eventually returned to school five years later at a neighborhood community college. From there the outside world began to open up to me.

    One day, one of my best friends said to me: "Why don't we transfer and continue our education full-time at this university?" Without hesitation I agreed.

    Since then I have continued my higher education at over nine different colleges and universities throughout the world and have been a teacher at four of them. It has been a very rewarding experience that is continuing to this day and I can see no other way of life that I would rather do. Been there: done that.
     
  13. vslayer Registered Senior Member

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    in new zealand:

    preschool is optional, but most children attend from age 3 or 4
    primary school starts for most children at 5 years old(not compulsary until age six, or age seven if more than 3km from the nearest school/bus route)
    primary school goes for six years
    children may then attend an intermediate school(years 7&8) or a college(joint intermediate and highschool)
    schooling then continues at highschool with year 13 being the final(and optional) year
    children may leave school ot 16, (or 15 if they have fulltime employment arranged.)

    starting at year 11(third year of highschool) student begin NCEA based on the scottish system. this requirs students to earn a certion number of credits to pass the year, including a certain amount in numeracy and literacy.

    after highschool, students may attend a university or polytech for higher education.
     
  14. Xerxes asdfghjkl Valued Senior Member

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    k-6 Elementary
    7-9 Junior High
    10-12 High School

    Marks here are based on percent averages, until "University" (GPA system) which we use in the same context as Australians. Community colleges are referred to as just 'colleges'.

    It's more of an indoctrination system than an educational one. But hey.. we do learn to write and avoid work!
     
  15. Cyrus The Virus Registered Member

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    In the Republic Of Ireland

    The child starts of in playschool (4-6)

    Primary School follows (5-13 (not compulsory until age six)) Its Junior Infants, Senior Infants then 1st-6th class

    Secondary school 13-19 (most are out a 18, those who wish to repeat 6th year) This time its 1st-6th year (transition year (4th year) is not compulsory)
    The state exams are taken at the end of 3rd year (Junior Cert), at 16 one can leave and at the end of 6th (Leaving Cert, compulsory to do 6 subjects has to include maths, Irish, English and 3 other subjects).

    Collage: goes

    Higher Cert: 2 years
    Ord.Degree: 2-4 years
    Higher.Degree: 4 years
    Masters: 1 year
    Ph.D: I don't know

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    Or you can use the ladder system which you can start off at High.Cert and then add on courses. It'll take 4-5 years to get to your high.degree. Thats it.
     
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  16. QuarkMoon I Registered Senior Member

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    K-6 grades for "elementary" school must be a new system. Elementary school for me was K-5 grades, middle school was 6-8 grades, and high school was 9-12 grades.

    The terms "college" and "university" can be broken down even further. There are "state colleges", "junior colleges", and "vocational colleges" (among others). And then there are "state universities", "graduate universites", "magnet universities", and some others I have forgotten. Some of the terms mean the samething, and some have completely different meanings.

    The U.S. school system is good, the only thing it's lacking is proper public funding.
     
  17. Constantine Registered Member

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    In Belgium, more specific Flanders (Dutch speaking part of the country) education is divided in 4 parts
    • Kleuteronderwijs (toddler school) not compulsory, age 2.5 to 6
    • Basisonderwijs or lagere school (basic education or lower school) compulsory, ages 6 to 12
    • Secundair onderwijs or middelbare school (secondary education of middle school), is divided in 4 main school categories, which are again divided in different course paths. The 4 main categories are General Secondary Education (Latin, mathematics, Languages, economics...), Art Secondary Education, Technical Secondary Education (mechanics, electricians...), Crafts Secondary Education (masons, butchers, haircutters...). Compulsory till age 18
    • Hoger onderwijs (higher education). This is anything beyound secondary education. So Universities (academic bachelors (3 years), masters (4 to 5 years), ph.d...(7 to 9 years)); hoge scholen (~high schools) (professional bachelors (3 to 4 years), 7th or 8th year in middle school, etc...
    Those are the main categories. There exist some special things too... but nobody does understand it anyway

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    Normally all schools are open, so you don't need to be selected. Fee for university is anually € 507 (for most courses, some exceptions...). If you got a scholar ship, you can study for about € 75 a year. Education is well funded here, America

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  18. Blue_UK Drifting Mind Valued Senior Member

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    In addition to what Duendy has said, I'll comment on the UK system.

    Children officially start school at 5, but many send their kids to pre-school (play school / kindergarten etc...).

    Now we have the big divide: Socialist Bastards vs. The Rich.

    The government provide 'state schools', but discipline is low. You can still do well - many do - however, the best education must be paid for. These are the confusingly named 'Public Schools' - which are far from being public (money and/or grade requirements are often high).

    I went to a traditional boarding school and bloody hated it! On reflection though, someone as lazy as me probably would never have learned anything at a state school.

    I won't bore you with how we number year groups or classify stuff. What differentiates us from other systems (such as what the French use) is that you can choose what you specialise in at the early age of 16. Some argue that this is a bad thing - as many young people don't really know what they want to do with their lives. At this time, students usually choose three subjects to take on in detail for two years. Really hard working people may take four or maybe even five of these before possibly going to university.
     
  19. Odin2006 Democratic Socialist Registered Senior Member

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    Most kids enter the public school sytem at age 5 or 6, and graduate when they are 18 or 19.

    In smaller school districts:
    K-6 Elementary School
    7-12 High School

    In larger school Districts:
    K-4 Elementary School
    5-8 Middle School
    9-12 High School

    The curriculum is pretty much the same for all students in the school district untill 9th grade, when you start getting the choice between various academic and vocational electives. You can "drop out" of high school when you are 16, but few do since it means poverty and a shitty job.

    In the US the term "college" means any institutions of higher education. "University" means colleges that give graduate degrees, though some private universities call thenselves a colleges. The degree scale is:

    Associate's degree: 2 years
    Bachlor's degree: 4 years
    Master's degree: 6 years
    Doctorate degree: 8 years

    Generally a distinction is often made between Ph.Ds and "proffesional" Doctoral programs (Law, Medicine, and Theology).
     
  20. The Devil Inside Banned Banned

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    someone beat me to belgium?!?

    drat! i wanted to sound smart too!!!
     
  21. Muslim Immortal Valued Senior Member

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    I learned, then I realized most of the stuff I was taut was a complete lie. (Evolution, Philosophy, History, ect, ect...)
     
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  22. jax0509 The non-believer Registered Senior Member

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    no wonder you are a deadbeat muslim
     
  23. Muslim Immortal Valued Senior Member

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    What ever man.
     

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